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welcome to just energy radio with your

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host naturopath and medical intuitive dr

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reed louise

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we have learned from einstein's theory

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that matter and energy are one

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physicists believe that all systems in

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nature have their own particular way of

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vibrating from the swinging of a

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pendulum to the waves of the ocean to

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the light that brightens the sky each

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day each of these oscillates at its own

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unique rate the same holds true for

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every thought feeling event or word we

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speak each has its own frequency or rate

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of vibration what many of us don't

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realize is when we take everything in

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our universe down to its simplest form

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it is all just energy

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join dr rita louise on a journey through

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time and space where past present and

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future collide

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today what you believe may be called

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into question what we want to know is

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who made up the rules

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be brave and step outside the box we are

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about to turn our world upside down and

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venture into the unknown

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hold on we are departing our own beliefs

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and entering alternative realms

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hello and welcome to just energy radio

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we are going to be having an exciting

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show tonight in the first hour we're

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going to be speaking with donna eden and

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david feinstein in the second hour we

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have the incomparable jim mars coming on

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so let me tell you a little bit about

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donna eden and david feinstein and get

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them on the air because we're going to

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be talking about the energies of love

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donna eden is a pioneer in the field of

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energy medicine with within both

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traditional and alternative health care

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settings she is recognized for her

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inborn ability to accurately determine

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the cause of physical and psychological

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problems based on the state of a body's

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energy and to devise highly effective

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treatments

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david feinstein phd is a clinical

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psychologist who has served on the

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faculties of john hopkins university

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school of medicine and antioch college

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author of eight books and more than 80

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professional articles he has been a

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pioneer in the areas of energy

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psychology and energy medicine so please

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welcome to just energy radio donna

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uh eden and david feinstein the author

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of the energies of love hi donna hi

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david how are you guys hi rita hi rita

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we're good i'm sorry i can't say that

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well you you can certainly not have a

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straight face when you speak of love

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between david and i because it's been a

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well david thank you so much for coming

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back on the show

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i loved our conversation last time

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um

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and i usually let my guests do a little

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intro bio of themselves and david you

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did that when you were on last so donna

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it's your turn so perhaps you can share

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with the listeners a little bit about

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how you got into

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energy and energy medicine in the first

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place

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okay

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energy has always

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come very natural to me but i i grew up

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with a lot of different ailments and i

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by the time i was 16 i had multiple

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sclerosis

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and um at 27 i had a heart attack all my

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organs were beginning to break down and

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and between 29 and 31 i had

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five different specialists tell me i

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wasn't going to live

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and um and somehow

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with that last person saying that

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justin

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well an energy came over me and it was

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like whoa i have to heal myself

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so because i wasn't going to let anybody

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else raise my kids and um and so i went

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just

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by trial and error figuring out what's

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going on in my body and seeing if i

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could make the energy move and if i

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could make some of the numbness that was

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all over my body go away and if my legs

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could walk

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all of those things and

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and what i found out was something that

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i have to say my mother always said all

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my life was the body already knows how

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to heal you just have to get in sync

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with it know what it is saying and know

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what to do and so that's what i did i

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i figured out

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well no

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yes i figured out but i

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basically i got in sync with my energies

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those unbelievably intelligent energies

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that run in our body and um and

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not too far down the road

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my legs walked and my mouth could move

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better and

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um i was i was just coming up out of it

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and once i was

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once i had felt like i'd really

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conquered multiple sclerosis oh and i

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had asthma too and so all of these

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things were getting well at the same

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time asthma and allergies to everything

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you could eat

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and um when i when i felt like i was on

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the other side of all of this i just

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wanted to share it with everybody under

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the sun i wanted people to know that

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they could empower themselves and heal

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themselves and and that they did not

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have to take uh

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you know all of the medications that

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western medic western medicine

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uh tends to give and so that was the

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beginning i just was sharing it with

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everybody i could possibly share it with

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but that's a miracle story i mean that's

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just not you know a little story i had a

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cold i like did a little reiki on myself

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and poof i'm healed i mean that's excuse

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the way i say this but that's a freaking

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well you know what i have found out is

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that the body is a miracle and it knows

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how to heal itself and so it's just it

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so behooves us all to learn these simple

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energy techniques that you can get

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better and better regardless of what's

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going on in your body and it's just

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really important and children from very

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early on ought to know how to take away

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their tummy aches or or or be able to

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learn better in school you know just

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flip the energies on in their brain

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and so i i'm i've got a

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passion for this stuff

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but that's just so great and i could

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just go you know we could sit here and

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spend hours just talking energy medicine

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but that is not our goal tonight

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we're going to be talking about the

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energy of love

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and uh

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i have to share this story so when i got

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this is so bad when i got married the

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last time a good friend of mine thomas

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nolan good friend of the show

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uh performed the ceremony and he gave

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this little

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talk to us about the energy of love and

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he said you know there's love

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and there's love

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and

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you can tell the difference of which is

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which but i can't not say live anymore

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in this situation how would you describe

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love especially in the context of where

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love means a lot of things

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and it changes as a relationship

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proceeds and

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what what is

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really interesting in terms of the

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energies of love is that there is

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a connection between two people it's a

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bridge of energy and so if you think of

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each person as having an energy field

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which

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is measurable scientifically and

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that those two energies connect

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and there is a new field created that is

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different from either the individual

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fields and those two fields i mean this

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kind of sounds abstract i know but it's

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actually very palpable and

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what donna didn't say very much in

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introducing herself is that she sees

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energy that's that was she did not when

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she created

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her

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she had never before it never occurred

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to her

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that she could use her ability to see

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energy for healing but

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as she healed herself and then began to

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work with other people this became a

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very important uh quality for her so

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she can look at a couple

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and

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how

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where where the uh energies between them

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might need to be

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repaired or might need to have

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the bridge strengthened so

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it's so there's there's that

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so so when we speak of energies of love

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we really mean

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energies of love

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and

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because the energy the energy is

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palpable two people get together and

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before you touch your energies meet and

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something is happening in that invisible

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plane between two people and we know it

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in in many different ways we we know it

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instinctively we

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you know people people certainly

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understand sexual energy but it's it's

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much more than sexual energy it is an

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energetic between two

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two bodies and between two souls that

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that is connected so it's a very um it's

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dimension of what is happening between

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two people that isn't usually talked

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about

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as a matter of fact um

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when when david and i first got together

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i mean he was this he was a psychologist

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and so he was very used to figuring out

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psychologically what's going on but that

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didn't help us at all

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because because

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the type of energy he is when

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when he's under stress

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is a type of energy that sees precisely

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what

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else is doing wrong he can't see himself

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as well when he's not stressed he's very

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good at seeing himself but that's that's

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an energy a different vibration a

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different frequency than than i have so

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i just began to fall apart in those

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early days because we were so different

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and because he could articulate so well

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even under stress what was wrong with me

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you know and so

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um so

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but what i did was

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um on a particular day when i knew that

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we weren't going to make it because

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there was such an imbalance between us

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it didn't matter how much our souls

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connected if we were so incompatible

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but

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uh when i was leaving instead i sat down

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and i did an exercise

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and it took maybe i don't know 30

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seconds 35 seconds

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and when i stood up from this chair from

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doing this exercise

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all those energies that were very

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scrambled and disorganized inside of me

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were suddenly organized and i wasn't

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crying anymore and i won the argument

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and that was the beginning of a change

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between us

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that um for david it was seeing that oh

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something else was going on beyond that

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psychological realm that he thought it

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was about

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it wasn't that she won the argument it

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was that

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she was able to come back and really

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meet me and

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so that i was not overpowering her and

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of course when when someone meets you

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that way you're suddenly more engaged

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and and more

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alert to what they're really saying

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it was like when we would be in that

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argument she would go into what we call

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her energetic stress style that's a the

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first part of the book really emphasizes

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the energetic stress styles that people

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go into and

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hers is kinesthetic which is very

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feeling and very very rich in feelings

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but it but but the intellect goes out at

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that time

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whereas for me when i go into that my

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feelings go out at that time and my

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intellect plugs in because we

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were programmed to trust one of four

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styles and

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the style that we trust is

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critical for what happens when couples

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argue and it's when couples argue

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that

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the really important parts of their

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relationship are negotiated like who

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dominates who has power who who who gets

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to

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um

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really

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call the shots and so so she was at an

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advanced disadvantage there

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in fact i mean all of us have had that

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experience the feeling we're on

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completely different wavelengths than

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our partner when things are difficult

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between us when you're when you're you

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suddenly feel like what happened to that

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bridge between us that wonderful

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closeness you can feel really

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disconnected and well the truth is

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you are on different wavelengths

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completely different wavelengths and

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it's and it's during it's during those

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times of stress that you are more apt to

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judge your relationship as not being so

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great but that is the time that if you

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have some tools

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to uh get out of that um that that that

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sensory style that um

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that you are in

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um that you can then build a bridge

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again and reach the other that you

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really have hope in the relationship you

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really believe it i mean i cannot tell

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you david and i we've been together 38

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years

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because

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our energies were just not meshed we

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were on completely different wavelengths

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but you knew that if you could make it

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it would be

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fantastic and the best

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partner you could possibly have because

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we had that soul connection but you

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finally get to a place where so many

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people they give up because you can't

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you can't fix it energetically well

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that's what our book is about it's about

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the energies between people and how

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those energies affect each other and

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throw you off and trigger you and in

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ways you don't expect of yourself

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but when you when you get that one

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handled then you can sort of evolve to

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the next step and become a

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better relationship and

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and love actually gets better it gets

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better when you can you can be very very

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so do you find yourself i mean the way

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you guys are talking it's like wow you

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lasted 38 years

417
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that's a long time and it's like wow

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you're just figuring it out did you do

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i think i figured it out before he did

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but he had hope because i was alway i

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always uh

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i my intelligence is more in my energies

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than in my intellect it's i really

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understand energy and so um

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so because i really was starting to

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grasp it that we had to fix this

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energetically i mean it was a

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it was a

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it has been a journey but we learned it

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and now

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one of my things that comes bubbling out

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of my mouth every now and then is thank

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god i didn't leave him when i should

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have because

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because because it was so hard but

436
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but you knew you knew that it could be

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wonderful you knew it could you just

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didn't know how to get there and that's

439
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how so many couples are they don't know

440
00:18:21,430 --> 00:18:19,200
how to get there and and you know

441
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there's so many david can speak more of

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this about this than me i'll let him

443
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about uh about

444
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about therapy how a couple's therapy how

445
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it it doesn't always help

446
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well a lot of couples a lot of

447
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individuals in a relationship are in the

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position of

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of kind of making sense of it by

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thinking

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we'd have a great relationship if it

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weren't for you

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and

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there's

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that's natural in a lot of ways because

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you can see where

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your partner isn't meeting you

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but the the great relationship part is

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sensing that there's something here

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there's something here that's really

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worth fighting for there's something

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here that's worth going the distance but

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not knowing what the map is

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and so if your

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perception is that it's all your

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partner's

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fault then

468
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you're

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missing

470
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what is happening between the two of you

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and it's not always easy to point to it

472
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because often it is at this energetic

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level so

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to

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address it at the energetic level rather

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than

477
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your the problem but okay what happens

478
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to us when we get into difficult times

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energetically

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and

481
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we also both work with couples so

482
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we're like many like any therapist

483
00:19:54,950 --> 00:19:53,039
you're always working on your own

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evolution as you're helping other people

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with theirs and

486
00:20:01,590 --> 00:19:59,039
that certainly has been true for us so

487
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what what we learned for ourselves and

488
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now teach couples is what we call a pact

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and the path is based on the

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understanding that there is a certain

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point in an argument

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where it is headed downhill if you

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continue

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on the path you are going so

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i think most couples can relate to that

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that that

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oh my gosh this is just

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really feeling terrible

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but you are

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programmed to take it further to stay in

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the fight to

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convince your partner that he or she is

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wrong

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there there's there's something very

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deeply instinctual

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in um we go into the fight-or-flight

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response when we feel there's a threat

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to our primary relationship that our

509
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ancestors needed that primary

510
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relationship to survive so any threat to

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it is like a threat to the family and so

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you are told so it's it's it's often

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amazing as a couple therapists to watch

514
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how quickly people can get

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activated with another one another so

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that they are over things that might

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seem trivial

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um their their faces are red they're

519
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screaming and

520
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that's that but that's that's really a

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deprogramming what we teach people is

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that before you get to that point

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that you each be aware of when you're

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headed there and either of you the fact

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is that either of you

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can say

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let's

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invoke our pact right now and by

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pre-agreement you both do it

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and it's with the understanding that if

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you don't it's headed where you don't

532
00:21:44,470 --> 00:21:43,360
want to wind up so the path starts with

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stopping

534
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part of the path there's four parts to

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it but that's the hardest one because

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00:21:54,549 --> 00:21:52,400
every instinct in you doesn't want to

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give up or stop

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00:21:58,390 --> 00:21:56,320
every instinct in you wants to prove

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00:21:59,350 --> 00:21:58,400
you're right and your partner's wrong

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00:22:03,510 --> 00:21:59,360
so

541
00:22:05,990 --> 00:22:03,520
by stopping now that's that's

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00:22:07,669 --> 00:22:06,000
useless if you don't have something to

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do after you've stopped

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and what we have to teach couples is

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that when they stop

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00:22:17,430 --> 00:22:15,840
there is a set of energy exercises that

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they can do

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00:22:20,630 --> 00:22:18,799
that take them out of the

549
00:22:23,350 --> 00:22:20,640
fight-or-flight response

550
00:22:26,549 --> 00:22:23,360
that shift their body chemistry

551
00:22:28,310 --> 00:22:26,559
that make it possible for them to

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00:22:29,029 --> 00:22:28,320
consider

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00:22:31,029 --> 00:22:29,039
the

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00:22:32,870 --> 00:22:31,039
argument from a larger perspective

555
00:22:35,669 --> 00:22:32,880
because when you're in fight or flight

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00:22:39,510 --> 00:22:35,679
your front brain really loses his

557
00:22:41,430 --> 00:22:39,520
ability to process information so

558
00:22:42,870 --> 00:22:41,440
you're you're in your back brain mode

559
00:22:45,190 --> 00:22:42,880
it's amygdala

560
00:22:45,990 --> 00:22:45,200
couple's work and

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so

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um donna maybe you can

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00:22:51,029 --> 00:22:48,799
describe

564
00:22:53,590 --> 00:22:51,039
one of those techniques

565
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and actually i just wanted to throw in

566
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i love the concept of the pact you know

567
00:23:03,190 --> 00:23:00,480
i i like to call them safe words you

568
00:23:05,029 --> 00:23:03,200
know like i say this

569
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this is what it means and you just need

570
00:23:09,430 --> 00:23:07,200
to wrap around your mind that this is

571
00:23:10,390 --> 00:23:09,440
what it means and there's an agreement

572
00:23:12,390 --> 00:23:10,400
that

573
00:23:14,710 --> 00:23:12,400
we'll make and i'm going to share an

574
00:23:17,110 --> 00:23:14,720
example not a relationship example but

575
00:23:18,789 --> 00:23:17,120
with my husband he didn't have a good

576
00:23:20,870 --> 00:23:18,799
memory especially in the summer i don't

577
00:23:23,110 --> 00:23:20,880
know he got like this alzheimer's thing

578
00:23:25,830 --> 00:23:23,120
i don't know what was going on

579
00:23:27,830 --> 00:23:25,840
and uh and i didn't want to nag him you

580
00:23:30,070 --> 00:23:27,840
know that was not my purpose but he

581
00:23:31,909 --> 00:23:30,080
would say you know will remind me and so

582
00:23:33,830 --> 00:23:31,919
i would like call him up or i would send

583
00:23:34,870 --> 00:23:33,840
him these texts and they would say

584
00:23:37,750 --> 00:23:34,880
hello

585
00:23:40,470 --> 00:23:37,760
this is wayne's brain and wayne's brain

586
00:23:42,310 --> 00:23:40,480
says and he would know that this was me

587
00:23:44,950 --> 00:23:42,320
reminding him of what he wanted me to

588
00:23:46,630 --> 00:23:44,960
remind him of and i wasn't nagging him

589
00:23:49,750 --> 00:23:46,640
and it was just the funniest thing

590
00:23:51,990 --> 00:23:49,760
because it be took it out of the i'm you

591
00:23:53,669 --> 00:23:52,000
know i'm nagging you i'm blaming you i'm

592
00:23:55,029 --> 00:23:53,679
doing anything to you

593
00:23:57,110 --> 00:23:55,039
other than

594
00:23:59,430 --> 00:23:57,120
keeping our relationship

595
00:24:01,350 --> 00:23:59,440
and i i love that idea i've never tried

596
00:24:04,710 --> 00:24:01,360
that in the whole

597
00:24:07,350 --> 00:24:04,720
relationship dynamic arena so that's

598
00:24:08,789 --> 00:24:07,360
like a new one for me

599
00:24:11,990 --> 00:24:08,799
right

600
00:24:13,990 --> 00:24:12,000
that was really good i enjoyed that um

601
00:24:16,390 --> 00:24:14,000
um well let me just tell you

602
00:24:19,029 --> 00:24:16,400
how how physical

603
00:24:21,750 --> 00:24:19,039
this uh this thing is that happens when

604
00:24:24,470 --> 00:24:21,760
people are triggered really really fast

605
00:24:26,870 --> 00:24:24,480
um you lose blood from your forebrain so

606
00:24:29,350 --> 00:24:26,880
much that if it's a really bad stress

607
00:24:32,390 --> 00:24:29,360
you can lose up to 80 of the blood in

608
00:24:35,269 --> 00:24:32,400
your forebrain it goes into your body

609
00:24:37,750 --> 00:24:35,279
to for that fight or flight response you

610
00:24:39,909 --> 00:24:37,760
know to beat somebody up or run away and

611
00:24:41,990 --> 00:24:39,919
because we can do neither we are

612
00:24:45,029 --> 00:24:42,000
suddenly standing there and we are

613
00:24:46,549 --> 00:24:45,039
streamlined for survival so only one

614
00:24:47,510 --> 00:24:46,559
sensory system

615
00:24:49,909 --> 00:24:47,520
which is

616
00:24:51,590 --> 00:24:49,919
how you how you see it or how you think

617
00:24:52,789 --> 00:24:51,600
about it how you feel about it or how

618
00:24:57,430 --> 00:24:52,799
you hear it

619
00:24:59,430 --> 00:24:57,440
um is is is present for you only one way

620
00:25:01,510 --> 00:24:59,440
and people don't realize that they think

621
00:25:03,430 --> 00:25:01,520
they don't know that they

622
00:25:05,830 --> 00:25:03,440
they're distorting everything because

623
00:25:09,190 --> 00:25:05,840
they can't access the other systems but

624
00:25:11,669 --> 00:25:09,200
that's what happens so that when we stop

625
00:25:13,190 --> 00:25:11,679
we quickly have energy techniques for

626
00:25:16,070 --> 00:25:13,200
people to do

627
00:25:20,070 --> 00:25:16,080
like like if you just filled up a way to

628
00:25:23,190 --> 00:25:20,080
just blow the energy out or or take down

629
00:25:24,149 --> 00:25:23,200
that energy that is it of the fight or

630
00:25:25,430 --> 00:25:24,159
flight

631
00:25:29,190 --> 00:25:25,440
um

632
00:25:32,710 --> 00:25:29,200
let's see should i tell you what

633
00:25:33,669 --> 00:25:32,720
sure go ahead go ahead

634
00:25:37,190 --> 00:25:33,679
um

635
00:25:39,830 --> 00:25:37,200
one one thing you can do is is just to

636
00:25:41,510 --> 00:25:39,840
blow out some energy really fast so if

637
00:25:43,669 --> 00:25:41,520
you if you just if you're standing and

638
00:25:45,909 --> 00:25:43,679
you put your arms out in front of you

639
00:25:48,630 --> 00:25:45,919
and then swing them up back up over your

640
00:25:50,630 --> 00:25:48,640
head and then straight down your body

641
00:25:52,390 --> 00:25:50,640
blow out with your mouth just

642
00:25:54,710 --> 00:25:52,400
just go

643
00:25:58,230 --> 00:25:54,720
blow out hard and do that three or four

644
00:26:00,549 --> 00:25:58,240
times and the last time take your hands

645
00:26:02,310 --> 00:26:00,559
straight up your body and reach up as

646
00:26:04,310 --> 00:26:02,320
high as you can

647
00:26:05,830 --> 00:26:04,320
and then turn your arms out and bring

648
00:26:08,310 --> 00:26:05,840
them down to the side now i said that

649
00:26:10,789 --> 00:26:08,320
fairly fast but it's basically blowing

650
00:26:11,750 --> 00:26:10,799
energy up and then pulling in some new

651
00:26:14,230 --> 00:26:11,760
energy

652
00:26:16,549 --> 00:26:14,240
it it really suddenly

653
00:26:19,430 --> 00:26:16,559
you're not filled up with all of this

654
00:26:22,710 --> 00:26:19,440
these stress chemicals and this um

655
00:26:24,950 --> 00:26:22,720
this nuts that takes over and then after

656
00:26:27,190 --> 00:26:24,960
that they're simple little energy things

657
00:26:28,870 --> 00:26:27,200
like like tapping your cheekbones

658
00:26:31,669 --> 00:26:28,880
breathing deep and tapping your

659
00:26:34,149 --> 00:26:31,679
cheekbones will make the energy on

660
00:26:37,350 --> 00:26:34,159
stomach meridian just go down your legs

661
00:26:38,710 --> 00:26:37,360
and ground ground you it will ground you

662
00:26:45,750 --> 00:26:38,720
you can

663
00:26:47,510 --> 00:26:45,760
uh k27 the 27th point on kidney meridian

664
00:26:49,750 --> 00:26:47,520
to make sure that your energies are all

665
00:26:51,269 --> 00:26:49,760
going in the correct direction

666
00:26:53,909 --> 00:26:51,279
uh you can

667
00:26:56,230 --> 00:26:53,919
you can um

668
00:26:58,870 --> 00:26:56,240
oh i i can just scramble when i get

669
00:27:01,750 --> 00:26:58,880
stressed so so just just putting your

670
00:27:04,230 --> 00:27:01,760
arms out in front of you crossing your

671
00:27:07,110 --> 00:27:04,240
your wrists and then clasping your

672
00:27:09,990 --> 00:27:07,120
fingers and bringing them back up

673
00:27:11,750 --> 00:27:10,000
underneath on your chest and breathing

674
00:27:14,390 --> 00:27:11,760
deep you know your kids do that but if

675
00:27:16,149 --> 00:27:14,400
you can't do that just just clasping

676
00:27:18,549 --> 00:27:16,159
your fingers together

677
00:27:21,590 --> 00:27:18,559
and breathing deep is really really good

678
00:27:24,389 --> 00:27:21,600
to just unscramble your force fields so

679
00:27:27,590 --> 00:27:24,399
so these are all techniques that you can

680
00:27:28,630 --> 00:27:27,600
use when you are in the heat of battle

681
00:27:30,549 --> 00:27:28,640
and

682
00:27:31,510 --> 00:27:30,559
one of you has recognized that it's

683
00:27:32,789 --> 00:27:31,520
going

684
00:27:33,669 --> 00:27:32,799
downhill

685
00:27:36,870 --> 00:27:33,679
and

686
00:27:39,510 --> 00:27:36,880
by pre-agreement you have stopped

687
00:27:41,510 --> 00:27:39,520
and now you're both you you're not doing

688
00:27:42,870 --> 00:27:41,520
this together though you might both be

689
00:27:44,870 --> 00:27:42,880
in the same room and doing it at the

690
00:27:48,470 --> 00:27:44,880
same time but it's separate because

691
00:27:49,990 --> 00:27:48,480
you're working with your own body your

692
00:27:51,990 --> 00:27:50,000
own energy

693
00:27:55,350 --> 00:27:52,000
and that's that's the

694
00:27:57,750 --> 00:27:55,360
um that's the key here is to then

695
00:27:59,909 --> 00:27:57,760
change those energies around

696
00:28:01,669 --> 00:27:59,919
so that you are

697
00:28:05,190 --> 00:28:01,679
able then to do

698
00:28:06,789 --> 00:28:05,200
the third part of the pact and the third

699
00:28:09,190 --> 00:28:06,799
part of the pact

700
00:28:11,269 --> 00:28:09,200
is to reconnect

701
00:28:13,590 --> 00:28:11,279
now with one another energetically so

702
00:28:16,230 --> 00:28:13,600
you're still not talking yet about

703
00:28:17,110 --> 00:28:16,240
the disagreement what you're doing

704
00:28:21,110 --> 00:28:17,120
rather

705
00:28:23,669 --> 00:28:22,149
you

706
00:28:25,669 --> 00:28:23,679
don is gonna go

707
00:28:27,110 --> 00:28:25,679
go turn that off

708
00:28:29,830 --> 00:28:27,120
um

709
00:28:32,310 --> 00:28:29,840
sorry about that

710
00:28:34,149 --> 00:28:32,320
everybody on your phone but i'm just

711
00:28:37,190 --> 00:28:34,159
going to like throw this in because like

712
00:28:39,669 --> 00:28:37,200
your guys guys are making mine crack up

713
00:28:42,549 --> 00:28:39,679
and uh you know donna was talking about

714
00:28:44,389 --> 00:28:42,559
this exercise and moving here and there

715
00:28:45,830 --> 00:28:44,399
wasn't any part where you smack your

716
00:28:50,389 --> 00:28:45,840
partner in the top of the head and go

717
00:28:57,590 --> 00:28:53,590
well this is to try to avoid that oh man

718
00:29:02,070 --> 00:28:59,909
right well

719
00:29:03,269 --> 00:29:02,080
what what we're trying to do is get the

720
00:29:05,909 --> 00:29:03,279
fun part

721
00:29:07,430 --> 00:29:05,919
to kind of skip that step

722
00:29:09,990 --> 00:29:07,440
and to

723
00:29:11,750 --> 00:29:10,000
be in a place where

724
00:29:13,830 --> 00:29:11,760
after

725
00:29:15,909 --> 00:29:13,840
you've

726
00:29:17,750 --> 00:29:15,919
gotten yourself cleared

727
00:29:19,590 --> 00:29:17,760
then you're able to connect with one

728
00:29:22,230 --> 00:29:19,600
another energetically

729
00:29:24,230 --> 00:29:22,240
and so talking about the fun part

730
00:29:28,389 --> 00:29:24,240
one of our favorite ones is called the

731
00:29:30,389 --> 00:29:28,399
spinal flush and it's it's one where

732
00:29:33,510 --> 00:29:30,399
that you do to one another some of them

733
00:29:35,269 --> 00:29:33,520
you do simultaneously and and you really

734
00:29:37,750 --> 00:29:35,279
connect with one another in fact let's

735
00:29:40,389 --> 00:29:37,760
let's start off describing one of those

736
00:29:43,350 --> 00:29:40,399
donna before we get to the spinal slash

737
00:29:44,789 --> 00:29:43,360
oh okay say say you

738
00:29:46,070 --> 00:29:44,799
you're you're coming back together but

739
00:29:47,990 --> 00:29:46,080
you still

740
00:29:49,590 --> 00:29:48,000
are having a difficult time to really

741
00:29:51,430 --> 00:29:49,600
connect with one another one thing you

742
00:29:54,549 --> 00:29:51,440
can do just standing right in front of

743
00:29:55,669 --> 00:29:54,559
each other is put both hands one on top

744
00:29:58,389 --> 00:29:55,679
of the other

745
00:30:01,269 --> 00:29:58,399
right on top of your heart chakra

746
00:30:03,350 --> 00:30:01,279
and just breathe three times i don't

747
00:30:05,750 --> 00:30:03,360
look at him at that point i'm just

748
00:30:08,310 --> 00:30:05,760
looking down and i'm just

749
00:30:11,190 --> 00:30:08,320
i'm really coming home to myself and it

750
00:30:13,990 --> 00:30:11,200
feels really really good and then he's

751
00:30:16,630 --> 00:30:14,000
doing the same thing he's doing that

752
00:30:19,269 --> 00:30:16,640
with himself now some some energy begins

753
00:30:22,149 --> 00:30:19,279
to clear between you but after when you

754
00:30:23,029 --> 00:30:22,159
feel like you're ready uh we both just

755
00:30:24,149 --> 00:30:23,039
sort of

756
00:30:26,950 --> 00:30:24,159
look up

757
00:30:27,830 --> 00:30:26,960
the other person's body to their heart

758
00:30:32,149 --> 00:30:27,840
and

759
00:30:34,149 --> 00:30:32,159
looking at their heart chakra with their

760
00:30:37,269 --> 00:30:34,159
hands on the heart chakra

761
00:30:39,590 --> 00:30:37,279
and it really does change something and

762
00:30:41,990 --> 00:30:39,600
then and then finally you just look up

763
00:30:44,630 --> 00:30:42,000
to each other's eyes and you can connect

764
00:30:46,470 --> 00:30:44,640
you find each other you know what i what

765
00:30:48,470 --> 00:30:46,480
i would like to do is to talk about the

766
00:30:50,630 --> 00:30:48,480
different systems so

767
00:30:53,430 --> 00:30:50,640
yeah first time just just comment on

768
00:30:54,630 --> 00:30:53,440
that and then we can go there uh which

769
00:30:57,269 --> 00:30:54,640
is that

770
00:30:59,590 --> 00:30:57,279
well one thing i mean

771
00:31:01,029 --> 00:30:59,600
as we're talking i'm imagining some

772
00:31:03,909 --> 00:31:01,039
listeners

773
00:31:06,630 --> 00:31:03,919
saying this sounds very vague

774
00:31:07,750 --> 00:31:06,640
but here here are a few

775
00:31:09,509 --> 00:31:07,760
facts

776
00:31:11,669 --> 00:31:09,519
one is that

777
00:31:14,470 --> 00:31:11,679
when a couple

778
00:31:16,310 --> 00:31:14,480
is in that state of fight or flight with

779
00:31:19,830 --> 00:31:16,320
one another

780
00:31:22,470 --> 00:31:19,840
50 years of therapy communication

781
00:31:24,230 --> 00:31:22,480
techniques do not work they just you

782
00:31:26,789 --> 00:31:24,240
cannot use them then

783
00:31:29,750 --> 00:31:26,799
and research has worn that out that at

784
00:31:31,990 --> 00:31:29,760
that point you need something different

785
00:31:33,430 --> 00:31:32,000
than empathy techniques because you

786
00:31:34,950 --> 00:31:33,440
can't go there

787
00:31:36,950 --> 00:31:34,960
at that point

788
00:31:38,070 --> 00:31:36,960
now the other fact that's very

789
00:31:39,909 --> 00:31:38,080
interesting

790
00:31:43,269 --> 00:31:39,919
is that the

791
00:31:45,669 --> 00:31:43,279
heart has the largest electromagnetic

792
00:31:47,750 --> 00:31:45,679
field of any organ in the body much

793
00:31:50,470 --> 00:31:47,760
bigger than the brains and when two

794
00:31:52,549 --> 00:31:50,480
people are in proximity with one another

795
00:31:53,350 --> 00:31:52,559
and they don't even have to be

796
00:31:55,509 --> 00:31:53,360
uh

797
00:31:57,110 --> 00:31:55,519
to know each other well they can just be

798
00:31:59,190 --> 00:31:57,120
talking and not know each other well but

799
00:32:00,950 --> 00:31:59,200
it's even more so when they're in an

800
00:32:01,990 --> 00:32:00,960
intimate relationship

801
00:32:08,310 --> 00:32:02,000
the

802
00:32:11,830 --> 00:32:08,320
measurably impacts

803
00:32:14,149 --> 00:32:11,840
the field of the brain of the other one

804
00:32:16,950 --> 00:32:14,159
literally changing without without

805
00:32:18,549 --> 00:32:16,960
talking about what's going on just

806
00:32:20,470 --> 00:32:18,559
talking about anything or just being in

807
00:32:22,070 --> 00:32:20,480
one another's presence so that's the

808
00:32:24,389 --> 00:32:22,080
dimension that we're working with with

809
00:32:26,789 --> 00:32:24,399
these techniques so that you are

810
00:32:29,430 --> 00:32:26,799
getting your heart

811
00:32:31,190 --> 00:32:29,440
aligned and and your partner's brain

812
00:32:35,350 --> 00:32:31,200
aligned with one another so that there

813
00:32:38,950 --> 00:32:35,360
really is a chance for them for some of

814
00:32:41,669 --> 00:32:38,960
the more empathy oriented communication

815
00:32:42,470 --> 00:32:41,679
oriented exercises to have a chance to

816
00:32:46,630 --> 00:32:42,480
work

817
00:32:49,269 --> 00:32:46,640
so at that point when you have stopped

818
00:32:51,190 --> 00:32:49,279
when you have gotten your own energy

819
00:32:54,950 --> 00:32:51,200
centered when you have built an

820
00:32:58,549 --> 00:32:54,960
energetic bridge between the two of you

821
00:33:01,990 --> 00:32:58,559
at that point you can begin to use some

822
00:33:05,430 --> 00:33:02,000
of the communication techniques that are

823
00:33:08,630 --> 00:33:05,440
more well established but we also add

824
00:33:11,350 --> 00:33:08,640
another dimension to that which is that

825
00:33:13,430 --> 00:33:11,360
if you understand your style and you

826
00:33:14,710 --> 00:33:13,440
understand your partner style energetic

827
00:33:17,669 --> 00:33:14,720
stress style

828
00:33:19,509 --> 00:33:17,679
you can make the connection much more

829
00:33:22,310 --> 00:33:19,519
reliably with one another because there

830
00:33:24,549 --> 00:33:22,320
are certain things that don't work if

831
00:33:26,149 --> 00:33:24,559
you have a visual partner or if you have

832
00:33:27,750 --> 00:33:26,159
a tonal partner or if you have a

833
00:33:29,590 --> 00:33:27,760
kinesthetic partner and there are

834
00:33:31,110 --> 00:33:29,600
certain things that do work that

835
00:33:33,590 --> 00:33:31,120
wouldn't work with a different type of

836
00:33:36,310 --> 00:33:33,600
partner and interesting what are the

837
00:33:38,470 --> 00:33:36,320
different categories that we have i mean

838
00:33:40,070 --> 00:33:38,480
uh donna talked a little bit about the

839
00:33:41,830 --> 00:33:40,080
kinesthetic partner and i think i'm a

840
00:33:44,470 --> 00:33:41,840
kinesthetic

841
00:33:46,549 --> 00:33:44,480
okay let me okay i'm going to talk about

842
00:33:48,389 --> 00:33:46,559
them and you might you might be

843
00:33:51,669 --> 00:33:48,399
kinesthetic but i have the feeling you

844
00:33:54,070 --> 00:33:51,679
might be tonal because tonal has some of

845
00:33:57,029 --> 00:33:54,080
the aspects of kinesthetic they are

846
00:33:59,990 --> 00:33:57,039
feelers but their brains still work if

847
00:34:03,269 --> 00:34:00,000
you're in a in a heated argument here

848
00:34:05,269 --> 00:34:03,279
um tonals are can be very analytical

849
00:34:08,629 --> 00:34:05,279
they can um

850
00:34:09,750 --> 00:34:08,639
they they they can they hear between the

851
00:34:12,069 --> 00:34:09,760
lines

852
00:34:15,990 --> 00:34:12,079
they hear what people can't say or

853
00:34:17,909 --> 00:34:16,000
didn't say so you pick up a vibe that is

854
00:34:21,589 --> 00:34:17,919
um that is not

855
00:34:23,750 --> 00:34:21,599
just articulated you pick up the vibe of

856
00:34:26,710 --> 00:34:23,760
all sorts of things they they pick up

857
00:34:30,069 --> 00:34:26,720
nuances and and so you have feelings

858
00:34:32,950 --> 00:34:30,079
about all these different things a tonal

859
00:34:35,510 --> 00:34:32,960
uh i think they have like sonar and when

860
00:34:38,069 --> 00:34:35,520
they are when they aren't stressed you

861
00:34:41,510 --> 00:34:38,079
can trust that sonar is so

862
00:34:44,149 --> 00:34:41,520
so amazing when you are stressed

863
00:34:45,270 --> 00:34:44,159
and you can really suffer from what

864
00:34:47,990 --> 00:34:45,280
feels like

865
00:34:51,349 --> 00:34:48,000
uh put downs you know you can you can

866
00:34:52,950 --> 00:34:51,359
just pick it up that somebody is against

867
00:34:55,030 --> 00:34:52,960
you now i'm not sure i mean you might be

868
00:34:59,670 --> 00:34:55,040
kinesthetic too you're just no that's

869
00:35:05,030 --> 00:35:01,190
yeah

870
00:35:08,150 --> 00:35:05,040
well sound is very personal to a tonal

871
00:35:11,349 --> 00:35:08,160
um and tones the tones that somebody

872
00:35:13,510 --> 00:35:11,359
uses far more than the exact words i've

873
00:35:15,829 --> 00:35:13,520
always said that if i was going to ever

874
00:35:18,950 --> 00:35:15,839
get into therapy again i would have be

875
00:35:21,109 --> 00:35:18,960
in therapy with a tonal because tunnels

876
00:35:23,990 --> 00:35:21,119
because i can lose my words as a

877
00:35:26,230 --> 00:35:24,000
kinesthetic i can lose my words and what

878
00:35:28,069 --> 00:35:26,240
i was about to say and forget

879
00:35:30,950 --> 00:35:28,079
when i'm really really stressed but a

880
00:35:34,069 --> 00:35:30,960
tonal doesn't need my exact words they

881
00:35:37,990 --> 00:35:34,079
pick it up and so it's it's very very

882
00:35:39,030 --> 00:35:38,000
comforting to a kinesthetic to be with a

883
00:35:44,390 --> 00:35:39,040
tonal

884
00:35:46,950 --> 00:35:44,400
very stressed they really want their

885
00:35:49,270 --> 00:35:46,960
partner to listen to them to hear them

886
00:35:51,270 --> 00:35:49,280
to hear what they're saying and and it's

887
00:35:55,190 --> 00:35:51,280
painful if they don't

888
00:35:58,790 --> 00:35:55,200
now as a david is a digital and

889
00:36:00,069 --> 00:35:58,800
he can be very he can be calm cool and

890
00:36:03,430 --> 00:36:00,079
collected

891
00:36:06,230 --> 00:36:03,440
and uh very even computer-like

892
00:36:08,150 --> 00:36:06,240
um he he can be

893
00:36:09,109 --> 00:36:08,160
very correct and

894
00:36:11,349 --> 00:36:09,119
um

895
00:36:12,790 --> 00:36:11,359
and he and feelings can just really

896
00:36:15,030 --> 00:36:12,800
throw him off

897
00:36:17,190 --> 00:36:15,040
because he goes up into his head now at

898
00:36:19,589 --> 00:36:17,200
other times he can access all of the

899
00:36:21,109 --> 00:36:19,599
systems and be very feeling but when he

900
00:36:24,790 --> 00:36:21,119
is that stressed

901
00:36:31,030 --> 00:36:24,800
he is more logical orderly programmed

902
00:36:36,870 --> 00:36:33,750
and he can also be righteous because a

903
00:36:39,430 --> 00:36:36,880
digital is their stance is i'm right

904
00:36:41,190 --> 00:36:39,440
i am right and so they they don't really

905
00:36:42,230 --> 00:36:41,200
want to be in an argument with you they

906
00:36:43,750 --> 00:36:42,240
want to

907
00:36:45,349 --> 00:36:43,760
they they they believe you're going to

908
00:36:46,310 --> 00:36:45,359
finally come around but they're not

909
00:36:48,150 --> 00:36:46,320
going to

910
00:36:49,109 --> 00:36:48,160
leave their position

911
00:36:50,870 --> 00:36:49,119
um

912
00:36:51,670 --> 00:36:50,880
so a

913
00:37:09,270 --> 00:36:51,680
a

914
00:37:10,390 --> 00:37:09,280
criticize but to them they're not

915
00:37:14,550 --> 00:37:10,400
they don't

916
00:37:16,950 --> 00:37:14,560
they're just

917
00:37:19,109 --> 00:37:16,960
disappointed that you're not getting

918
00:37:20,950 --> 00:37:19,119
what is so obvious that would really

919
00:37:24,790 --> 00:37:20,960
happen they see what's wrong with you

920
00:37:27,349 --> 00:37:26,390
see david is

921
00:37:30,230 --> 00:37:27,359
you can

922
00:37:33,030 --> 00:37:30,240
usually people have their strongest one

923
00:37:34,870 --> 00:37:33,040
and that they go to under stress

924
00:37:36,870 --> 00:37:34,880
and then they have a secondary one that

925
00:37:39,349 --> 00:37:36,880
when it's not so stressed so david is a

926
00:37:41,990 --> 00:37:39,359
digital and a secondary visual which

927
00:37:46,069 --> 00:37:42,000
really he has that whole thing locked up

928
00:37:49,910 --> 00:37:48,230
our visuals get picky

929
00:37:52,710 --> 00:37:49,920
and they come out they come off as

930
00:37:54,069 --> 00:37:52,720
looking really powerful because

931
00:37:57,030 --> 00:37:54,079
because

932
00:37:59,510 --> 00:37:57,040
they they it's all about you the energy

933
00:38:00,470 --> 00:37:59,520
is is really thrust onto the other

934
00:38:03,030 --> 00:38:00,480
person

935
00:38:05,750 --> 00:38:03,040
and um and they project

936
00:38:06,710 --> 00:38:05,760
and and they are also righteous

937
00:38:08,310 --> 00:38:06,720
um

938
00:38:10,710 --> 00:38:08,320
let's see i'm gonna i'm gonna come back

939
00:38:13,030 --> 00:38:10,720
to a tunnel just a minute because

940
00:38:15,030 --> 00:38:13,040
because tunnels can also blame by the

941
00:38:17,829 --> 00:38:15,040
way but they are blaming for different

942
00:38:20,790 --> 00:38:17,839
reasons they are exasperated that their

943
00:38:23,349 --> 00:38:20,800
partner isn't hearing them or

944
00:38:24,950 --> 00:38:23,359
they're uh they can get frustrated

945
00:38:27,510 --> 00:38:24,960
but um

946
00:38:31,670 --> 00:38:27,520
okay so the next one is a who did we

947
00:38:33,589 --> 00:38:31,680
miss a kinesthetic aesthetic is a feeler

948
00:38:36,310 --> 00:38:33,599
and they're they're

949
00:38:39,109 --> 00:38:36,320
almost too empathic because they really

950
00:38:40,710 --> 00:38:39,119
suffer from the other person and so they

951
00:38:43,030 --> 00:38:40,720
can make the other person they could be

952
00:38:45,030 --> 00:38:43,040
enablers they can be enablers to the

953
00:38:46,950 --> 00:38:45,040
other person

954
00:38:50,710 --> 00:38:46,960
feelings really are the facts where

955
00:38:52,870 --> 00:38:50,720
kinesthetic is what feels is

956
00:38:55,349 --> 00:38:52,880
is a major thing and they are very much

957
00:38:57,270 --> 00:38:55,359
in the now whereas a tunnel can live in

958
00:38:59,510 --> 00:38:57,280
the past you know

959
00:39:00,550 --> 00:38:59,520
they their their whatever hurt them in

960
00:39:02,950 --> 00:39:00,560
the past

961
00:39:05,349 --> 00:39:02,960
they have a hard time getting rid of

962
00:39:07,589 --> 00:39:05,359
kinesthetics are all about the now

963
00:39:08,790 --> 00:39:07,599
visuals are sort of now but into the

964
00:39:11,430 --> 00:39:08,800
future

965
00:39:12,870 --> 00:39:11,440
and digitals can go all over the place

966
00:39:14,630 --> 00:39:12,880
and um

967
00:39:17,109 --> 00:39:14,640
cathedrals can be in the present the

968
00:39:18,230 --> 00:39:17,119
past or the future but not feel any of

969
00:39:20,310 --> 00:39:18,240
them

970
00:39:23,510 --> 00:39:20,320
and

971
00:39:24,790 --> 00:39:23,520
what was what was so amazing for me was

972
00:39:30,310 --> 00:39:24,800
in

973
00:39:31,190 --> 00:39:30,320
when we go under stress but also

974
00:39:34,710 --> 00:39:31,200
that

975
00:39:36,790 --> 00:39:34,720
you know part of our way of thinking is

976
00:39:39,910 --> 00:39:36,800
mine is more digital than hers hers is

977
00:39:43,109 --> 00:39:39,920
more kinesthetic than mine and she

978
00:39:45,030 --> 00:39:43,119
announced one day to me that feelings

979
00:39:47,109 --> 00:39:45,040
were facts

980
00:39:49,190 --> 00:39:47,119
this was an extraordinary

981
00:39:52,069 --> 00:39:49,200
revelation because

982
00:39:54,630 --> 00:39:52,079
i think facts are facts the facts are

983
00:39:56,150 --> 00:39:54,640
the facts right the feelings maybe they

984
00:39:58,710 --> 00:39:56,160
color the facts a little bit but the

985
00:40:01,190 --> 00:39:58,720
facts are the facts for her

986
00:40:03,430 --> 00:40:01,200
in relationship the feelings are what

987
00:40:05,829 --> 00:40:03,440
matter it's the the

988
00:40:08,630 --> 00:40:05,839
the circumstances that anything else is

989
00:40:12,230 --> 00:40:08,640
irrelevant it's the feelings that matter

990
00:40:17,750 --> 00:40:12,240
and this was extraordinary to me but

991
00:40:24,630 --> 00:40:20,309
feelings are facts come on but for her

992
00:40:27,910 --> 00:40:24,640
the facts are what your partner relies

993
00:40:31,430 --> 00:40:27,920
on when he's wrong and is trying to

994
00:40:44,150 --> 00:40:31,440
argue you out of your feelings

995
00:40:48,790 --> 00:40:45,430
this

996
00:40:50,230 --> 00:40:48,800
system is very interesting because

997
00:40:51,990 --> 00:40:50,240
all couples

998
00:40:53,349 --> 00:40:52,000
just about every couple we've ever

999
00:40:55,750 --> 00:40:53,359
worked with

1000
00:40:58,069 --> 00:40:55,760
they're never both the same type it's

1001
00:40:59,270 --> 00:40:58,079
very rare that people choose somebody

1002
00:41:00,870 --> 00:40:59,280
that is the same type because there

1003
00:41:03,589 --> 00:41:00,880
isn't as much spark

1004
00:41:06,069 --> 00:41:03,599
and it may be that this was

1005
00:41:07,190 --> 00:41:06,079
you know nature's way of expanding us

1006
00:41:09,270 --> 00:41:07,200
because

1007
00:41:11,270 --> 00:41:09,280
i would never

1008
00:41:13,910 --> 00:41:11,280
start to understand

1009
00:41:15,510 --> 00:41:13,920
a way of being in the world that is as

1010
00:41:18,790 --> 00:41:15,520
different from my way of being in the

1011
00:41:21,109 --> 00:41:18,800
world as donna's if i weren't having to

1012
00:41:23,829 --> 00:41:21,119
deal with it every day from close up

1013
00:41:26,230 --> 00:41:23,839
it's that that and that has expanded me

1014
00:41:28,309 --> 00:41:26,240
as much as it has also

1015
00:41:29,589 --> 00:41:28,319
um been been a

1016
00:41:30,870 --> 00:41:29,599
a challenge

1017
00:41:31,829 --> 00:41:30,880
i am

1018
00:41:49,589 --> 00:41:31,839
a

1019
00:41:51,430 --> 00:41:49,599
in in the long run from being some with

1020
00:41:52,710 --> 00:41:51,440
someone that's different from you and

1021
00:41:55,349 --> 00:41:52,720
the way that we

1022
00:41:57,190 --> 00:41:55,359
first understood became to understand

1023
00:41:59,829 --> 00:41:57,200
this was 38 years ago

1024
00:42:03,510 --> 00:41:59,839
very early in our relationship

1025
00:42:05,990 --> 00:42:03,520
i was 30 years old and i was teaching

1026
00:42:08,309 --> 00:42:06,000
a hypnosis class

1027
00:42:10,630 --> 00:42:08,319
and i was teaching it to

1028
00:42:12,550 --> 00:42:10,640
therapists who were mostly older than me

1029
00:42:14,870 --> 00:42:12,560
more experienced than me but they just

1030
00:42:17,030 --> 00:42:14,880
hadn't had hypnosis in their training

1031
00:42:18,790 --> 00:42:17,040
and that was something i gravitated to

1032
00:42:19,990 --> 00:42:18,800
very early in my career

1033
00:42:22,790 --> 00:42:20,000
and

1034
00:42:25,030 --> 00:42:22,800
i invited donna to come to one of the

1035
00:42:28,230 --> 00:42:25,040
classes and i was just really wanting to

1036
00:42:30,950 --> 00:42:28,240
show off that i was teaching this class

1037
00:42:33,190 --> 00:42:30,960
with his therapist and

1038
00:42:34,950 --> 00:42:33,200
that day the topic was

1039
00:42:36,309 --> 00:42:34,960
uh because we did not invent these terms

1040
00:42:38,230 --> 00:42:36,319
we just use them differently than the

1041
00:42:41,510 --> 00:42:38,240
way they're usually used but the topic

1042
00:42:44,630 --> 00:42:41,520
was this was the very topic was that

1043
00:42:47,829 --> 00:42:44,640
for people who are visual

1044
00:42:49,510 --> 00:42:47,839
a hypnotist really needs to tune into

1045
00:42:51,829 --> 00:42:49,520
that person in a way that's very

1046
00:42:54,069 --> 00:42:51,839
different from the way they tune into

1047
00:42:55,750 --> 00:42:54,079
someone that is kinesthetic or tonal or

1048
00:42:58,150 --> 00:42:55,760
digital they're

1049
00:43:00,630 --> 00:42:58,160
they're really

1050
00:43:02,470 --> 00:43:00,640
distinct different styles of being in

1051
00:43:03,430 --> 00:43:02,480
the world and making sense of the world

1052
00:43:06,470 --> 00:43:03,440
so

1053
00:43:08,550 --> 00:43:06,480
i was teaching about that and i was

1054
00:43:10,710 --> 00:43:08,560
interviewing different members of the

1055
00:43:13,190 --> 00:43:10,720
class to figure out which style they

1056
00:43:13,990 --> 00:43:13,200
were and then it was time for the break

1057
00:43:19,589 --> 00:43:14,000
and

1058
00:43:20,470 --> 00:43:19,599
you know there's a physical test that i

1059
00:43:23,030 --> 00:43:20,480
just

1060
00:43:25,990 --> 00:43:23,040
kind of devised in my mind for

1061
00:43:27,990 --> 00:43:26,000
determining whether a person is a

1062
00:43:29,109 --> 00:43:28,000
kinesthetic visual tunnel

1063
00:43:31,270 --> 00:43:29,119
or digital

1064
00:43:33,190 --> 00:43:31,280
and i said no

1065
00:43:35,230 --> 00:43:33,200
you can't there's no physical test is

1066
00:43:37,750 --> 00:43:35,240
going to do that because these are

1067
00:43:39,109 --> 00:43:37,760
psychological differences they're not

1068
00:43:41,829 --> 00:43:39,119
physical difference they're

1069
00:43:45,190 --> 00:43:41,839
psychological differences

1070
00:43:49,510 --> 00:43:45,200
i like that intonation i can feel it i

1071
00:43:55,670 --> 00:43:52,950
as trying to enlighten her about where

1072
00:43:57,589 --> 00:43:55,680
she was wrong and

1073
00:44:00,230 --> 00:43:57,599
understand and she was on daunting you

1074
00:44:01,829 --> 00:44:00,240
know so i was hoping that she would just

1075
00:44:04,230 --> 00:44:01,839
you know say something about my teaching

1076
00:44:06,710 --> 00:44:04,240
prowess or something but no she has to

1077
00:44:08,630 --> 00:44:06,720
put in this whole new idea

1078
00:44:10,630 --> 00:44:08,640
and so

1079
00:44:12,230 --> 00:44:10,640
um so when i when i

1080
00:44:14,309 --> 00:44:12,240
informed her that these are

1081
00:44:16,870 --> 00:44:14,319
psychological differences she said let

1082
00:44:18,710 --> 00:44:16,880
me show you and she pulls over somebody

1083
00:44:22,069 --> 00:44:18,720
from the water cooler and

1084
00:44:24,630 --> 00:44:22,079
she does this test that it's a it's

1085
00:44:26,550 --> 00:44:24,640
basically uh what people know of as a

1086
00:44:30,390 --> 00:44:26,560
muscle test from

1087
00:44:33,430 --> 00:44:30,400
from kinesiol from from chiropractic or

1088
00:44:36,950 --> 00:44:33,440
whatever we call it an energy test and

1089
00:44:39,270 --> 00:44:36,960
she was able to determine which style

1090
00:44:41,030 --> 00:44:39,280
which energetic stress style

1091
00:44:43,109 --> 00:44:41,040
this person was and it was exactly what

1092
00:44:44,950 --> 00:44:43,119
i come to by interviewing them

1093
00:44:46,710 --> 00:44:44,960
so then it was time for the class to

1094
00:44:48,870 --> 00:44:46,720
start again and that's all people wanted

1095
00:44:52,470 --> 00:44:48,880
to talk about they want to talk about

1096
00:44:56,150 --> 00:44:52,480
this way of energy testing for your

1097
00:44:58,150 --> 00:44:56,160
style so my entire rest of my agenda got

1098
00:45:00,550 --> 00:44:58,160
put on the shelf

1099
00:45:03,190 --> 00:45:00,560
if i could have heard my guardian angels

1100
00:45:06,069 --> 00:45:03,200
back then they would have said

1101
00:45:08,870 --> 00:45:06,079
get used to it david

1102
00:45:12,470 --> 00:45:10,069
what we

1103
00:45:13,270 --> 00:45:12,480
found was and you can see how it would

1104
00:45:14,550 --> 00:45:13,280
work

1105
00:45:15,910 --> 00:45:14,560
because

1106
00:45:21,109 --> 00:45:15,920
donna

1107
00:45:23,349 --> 00:45:21,119
and she can see the energy of a person's

1108
00:45:25,670 --> 00:45:23,359
energetic stress style

1109
00:45:27,670 --> 00:45:25,680
so when she would work

1110
00:45:29,430 --> 00:45:27,680
in she had a practice for 23 years

1111
00:45:31,589 --> 00:45:29,440
before we really went on the road a

1112
00:45:32,470 --> 00:45:31,599
full-time practice

1113
00:45:34,230 --> 00:45:32,480
and

1114
00:45:35,190 --> 00:45:34,240
when she would work with a pregnant

1115
00:45:38,150 --> 00:45:35,200
couple

1116
00:45:39,030 --> 00:45:38,160
and then be there after the birth she

1117
00:45:41,270 --> 00:45:39,040
would

1118
00:45:42,630 --> 00:45:41,280
be able to tell the couple

1119
00:45:43,990 --> 00:45:42,640
what

1120
00:45:47,190 --> 00:45:44,000
style

1121
00:45:49,829 --> 00:45:47,200
the the infant was going had and then

1122
00:45:52,309 --> 00:45:49,839
16 years later when the infant was now a

1123
00:45:55,190 --> 00:45:52,319
teenager it was very evident that she

1124
00:45:58,390 --> 00:45:55,200
was right so so these styles are

1125
00:46:01,990 --> 00:45:58,400
built in they're born in to the

1126
00:46:03,829 --> 00:46:02,000
body into the psyche into the actual

1127
00:46:06,390 --> 00:46:03,839
brain structure so they're not they're

1128
00:46:07,829 --> 00:46:06,400
not learned and and because they're not

1129
00:46:10,390 --> 00:46:07,839
learned they're they also can't be

1130
00:46:12,390 --> 00:46:10,400
unlearned so you can't hope that your

1131
00:46:14,150 --> 00:46:12,400
partner is going to change can't hope

1132
00:46:17,030 --> 00:46:14,160
that your partner is going to be the

1133
00:46:20,150 --> 00:46:17,040
style that you are what you are able

1134
00:46:22,390 --> 00:46:20,160
what you can do is learn how to really

1135
00:46:24,150 --> 00:46:22,400
dance with your different styles and

1136
00:46:27,589 --> 00:46:24,160
take advantage of the differences so

1137
00:46:30,710 --> 00:46:27,599
that they enrich both of you rather than

1138
00:46:33,349 --> 00:46:30,720
pull you down the rabbit hole

1139
00:46:34,550 --> 00:46:33,359
i guess in dealing with this

1140
00:46:37,030 --> 00:46:34,560
you know there

1141
00:46:39,030 --> 00:46:37,040
and the word that comes to me both in

1142
00:46:41,829 --> 00:46:39,040
listening to the exercise that you've

1143
00:46:45,190 --> 00:46:41,839
talked about and then in this discussion

1144
00:46:46,630 --> 00:46:45,200
thing that neutrality is really the key

1145
00:46:48,550 --> 00:46:46,640
you know

1146
00:46:51,589 --> 00:46:48,560
fit repairing your own personal

1147
00:46:54,470 --> 00:46:51,599
boundaries so that you can reconnect as

1148
00:46:57,990 --> 00:46:54,480
two whole individuals in a neutral place

1149
00:46:58,870 --> 00:46:58,000
to talk about what just happened

1150
00:47:00,150 --> 00:46:58,880
yeah

1151
00:47:02,470 --> 00:47:00,160
you know

1152
00:47:05,349 --> 00:47:02,480
that's true except that what happens

1153
00:47:08,150 --> 00:47:05,359
neutral stat stays neutral very short

1154
00:47:10,630 --> 00:47:08,160
amount of time because suddenly you know

1155
00:47:12,150 --> 00:47:10,640
you are feeling happy about the other

1156
00:47:14,150 --> 00:47:12,160
person you are

1157
00:47:17,349 --> 00:47:14,160
in a more

1158
00:47:20,710 --> 00:47:17,359
more loving exuberant place it it is fun

1159
00:47:23,270 --> 00:47:20,720
when you get to the other side and um

1160
00:47:25,030 --> 00:47:23,280
uh but but you can't talk to it that

1161
00:47:25,750 --> 00:47:25,040
that's another thing that's in our book

1162
00:47:28,870 --> 00:47:25,760
of

1163
00:47:31,990 --> 00:47:28,880
about how to communicate to another

1164
00:47:34,950 --> 00:47:32,000
style that isn't your style how to just

1165
00:47:37,910 --> 00:47:34,960
switch a little energy thing and how

1166
00:47:41,270 --> 00:47:37,920
does how to talk and how how to stay

1167
00:47:45,109 --> 00:47:43,270
and there's no sticks involved huh

1168
00:47:51,510 --> 00:47:45,119
frying pans

1169
00:47:56,069 --> 00:47:53,910
that's um one of the systems we also

1170
00:47:58,390 --> 00:47:56,079
talk in the book about the elements

1171
00:48:00,790 --> 00:47:58,400
everybody has a different element that

1172
00:48:03,510 --> 00:48:00,800
they that is or their rhythm their

1173
00:48:05,670 --> 00:48:03,520
rhythm is different just their natural

1174
00:48:09,109 --> 00:48:05,680
rhythm you know we walk different we

1175
00:48:10,950 --> 00:48:09,119
talk different we we what we um

1176
00:48:13,030 --> 00:48:10,960
gravitate to is different than our

1177
00:48:16,069 --> 00:48:13,040
partner all of those all of these things

1178
00:48:19,190 --> 00:48:16,079
make a difference but you can really

1179
00:48:22,309 --> 00:48:19,200
learn to uh not only

1180
00:48:23,670 --> 00:48:22,319
like yourself better but do a real dance

1181
00:48:26,470 --> 00:48:23,680
with your partner so that you get

1182
00:48:29,510 --> 00:48:26,480
happier and happier the older you get so

1183
00:48:31,510 --> 00:48:29,520
the pact is not just an agreement of the

1184
00:48:34,150 --> 00:48:31,520
steps that you will take when things get

1185
00:48:36,710 --> 00:48:34,160
tough it is an informed agreement where

1186
00:48:39,750 --> 00:48:36,720
which is based on understanding your

1187
00:48:41,910 --> 00:48:39,760
partner style and what the pitfalls are

1188
00:48:44,390 --> 00:48:41,920
in communicating with that style what

1189
00:48:46,829 --> 00:48:44,400
the pitfalls are in communicating from

1190
00:48:49,829 --> 00:48:46,839
your own style and getting

1191
00:48:51,910 --> 00:48:49,839
yourself calm enough so that your

1192
00:48:54,150 --> 00:48:51,920
front brain is back online so that you

1193
00:48:57,829 --> 00:48:54,160
can use those maps and use them

1194
00:48:58,549 --> 00:48:57,839
effectively and that's that basically

1195
00:49:00,549 --> 00:48:58,559
when

1196
00:49:02,309 --> 00:49:00,559
we were writing the book we knew that we

1197
00:49:03,910 --> 00:49:02,319
had our own model that we developed over

1198
00:49:06,150 --> 00:49:03,920
the years that we wanted to teach about

1199
00:49:09,270 --> 00:49:06,160
how to work with energies but we also

1200
00:49:11,430 --> 00:49:09,280
knew that there has been so much has

1201
00:49:12,230 --> 00:49:11,440
been learned in the last 20 years

1202
00:49:24,069 --> 00:49:12,240
in

1203
00:49:24,950 --> 00:49:24,079
you

1204
00:49:25,910 --> 00:49:24,960
um

1205
00:49:28,829 --> 00:49:25,920
use

1206
00:49:32,390 --> 00:49:28,839
an imaging device like an

1207
00:49:34,390 --> 00:49:32,400
fmri or a pet scan or just simple

1208
00:49:36,549 --> 00:49:34,400
electrodes on the scalp

1209
00:49:37,430 --> 00:49:36,559
that when a couple is

1210
00:49:42,710 --> 00:49:37,440
new

1211
00:49:45,670 --> 00:49:42,720
very different pattern

1212
00:49:48,390 --> 00:49:45,680
than if it's a 30-year relationship that

1213
00:49:49,910 --> 00:49:48,400
is still deeply in love they're very

1214
00:49:52,230 --> 00:49:49,920
different parts of the brain are

1215
00:49:54,150 --> 00:49:52,240
activated when a person thinks about

1216
00:49:57,750 --> 00:49:54,160
their when they love

1217
00:50:00,549 --> 00:49:57,760
if someone has been jilted what happens

1218
00:50:03,030 --> 00:50:00,559
in the brain we know a lot about all of

1219
00:50:05,109 --> 00:50:03,040
this and so we wanted to incorporate

1220
00:50:07,349 --> 00:50:05,119
that we wanted to incorporate

1221
00:50:10,470 --> 00:50:07,359
the what's been learned in couples

1222
00:50:12,470 --> 00:50:10,480
therapy 50 years ago couples therapy was

1223
00:50:14,630 --> 00:50:12,480
basically treating

1224
00:50:17,030 --> 00:50:14,640
doing individual therapy with two people

1225
00:50:19,190 --> 00:50:17,040
in the same room

1226
00:50:21,270 --> 00:50:19,200
and that didn't work very well the the

1227
00:50:23,670 --> 00:50:21,280
research was not encouraging on that but

1228
00:50:25,030 --> 00:50:23,680
what we've learned is how to create

1229
00:50:27,589 --> 00:50:25,040
experiences

1230
00:50:29,430 --> 00:50:27,599
with two people in the same room that

1231
00:50:32,870 --> 00:50:29,440
really begin to shift the neural

1232
00:50:34,549 --> 00:50:32,880
pathways in their brains so that

1233
00:50:36,309 --> 00:50:34,559
so so we want to put

1234
00:50:39,670 --> 00:50:36,319
the book into

1235
00:50:42,309 --> 00:50:39,680
that context of how much is known now

1236
00:50:44,309 --> 00:50:42,319
about working with couples and we had an

1237
00:50:46,950 --> 00:50:44,319
overwhelming amount of information and

1238
00:50:48,710 --> 00:50:46,960
what we did was we realized that there

1239
00:50:49,829 --> 00:50:48,720
are really three

1240
00:50:53,349 --> 00:50:49,839
sections

1241
00:50:57,270 --> 00:50:53,359
three categories for understanding

1242
00:51:00,150 --> 00:50:57,280
how to work with yourself as a couple

1243
00:51:03,510 --> 00:51:00,160
and those three were

1244
00:51:04,950 --> 00:51:03,520
number one the inherited aspects of love

1245
00:51:08,309 --> 00:51:04,960
and that's what we've been talking about

1246
00:51:09,829 --> 00:51:08,319
because the these sense these energetic

1247
00:51:12,630 --> 00:51:09,839
stress styles

1248
00:51:15,510 --> 00:51:12,640
are inherited you you as we

1249
00:51:18,150 --> 00:51:15,520
saw with donna looking at newborn babies

1250
00:51:20,710 --> 00:51:18,160
that is there so that part of the book

1251
00:51:22,470 --> 00:51:20,720
is teaching people to how to understand

1252
00:51:25,430 --> 00:51:22,480
their own style understand their

1253
00:51:28,230 --> 00:51:25,440
partners it gives you a lot more empathy

1254
00:51:30,069 --> 00:51:28,240
a lot more empathy for yourself as well

1255
00:51:31,910 --> 00:51:30,079
as for your partner to really understand

1256
00:51:35,750 --> 00:51:31,920
that you're kind of this is how your

1257
00:51:37,430 --> 00:51:35,760
brain works this kind of how you respond

1258
00:51:39,990 --> 00:51:37,440
under stress and

1259
00:51:43,030 --> 00:51:40,000
to have ways then to

1260
00:51:45,030 --> 00:51:43,040
not only not judge your partner but also

1261
00:51:47,109 --> 00:51:45,040
to reach your partner so that's that's

1262
00:51:49,030 --> 00:51:47,119
the first part the second part

1263
00:51:51,030 --> 00:51:49,040
it so the first part is inherited

1264
00:51:54,069 --> 00:51:51,040
aspects of love the second is

1265
00:51:56,309 --> 00:51:54,079
learned aspects of love and the learned

1266
00:51:58,390 --> 00:51:56,319
aspects of love go all the way back to

1267
00:52:01,349 --> 00:51:58,400
the first days of life where

1268
00:52:04,230 --> 00:52:01,359
your relationship with your caregivers

1269
00:52:06,870 --> 00:52:04,240
is building neural networks that will

1270
00:52:09,589 --> 00:52:06,880
last for the rest of your life if

1271
00:52:11,190 --> 00:52:09,599
nothing comes along to change them in a

1272
00:52:13,270 --> 00:52:11,200
significant way so

1273
00:52:15,589 --> 00:52:13,280
how you

1274
00:52:17,750 --> 00:52:15,599
respond when you have a need that's not

1275
00:52:19,910 --> 00:52:17,760
met some people go into panic some

1276
00:52:21,670 --> 00:52:19,920
people get very creative to find out how

1277
00:52:23,829 --> 00:52:21,680
to uh

1278
00:52:26,309 --> 00:52:23,839
be with the people around them to learn

1279
00:52:29,349 --> 00:52:26,319
how to meet that need and so

1280
00:52:31,349 --> 00:52:29,359
these these basic patterns

1281
00:52:32,470 --> 00:52:31,359
are in

1282
00:52:34,470 --> 00:52:32,480
you know

1283
00:52:36,950 --> 00:52:34,480
learned early and

1284
00:52:39,190 --> 00:52:36,960
for most of humanity

1285
00:52:41,510 --> 00:52:39,200
they set the ceiling of how good of a

1286
00:52:44,630 --> 00:52:41,520
relationship you were likely to have as

1287
00:52:48,630 --> 00:52:44,640
an adult because you tended to find a

1288
00:52:50,549 --> 00:52:48,640
partner that is going to activate

1289
00:52:52,950 --> 00:52:50,559
whatever issues were not resolved from

1290
00:52:55,270 --> 00:52:52,960
your childhood it's it's almost magic

1291
00:52:56,230 --> 00:52:55,280
how that happens but every therapist

1292
00:52:58,630 --> 00:52:56,240
that i know

1293
00:53:01,510 --> 00:52:58,640
is able to give case after case where

1294
00:53:04,230 --> 00:53:01,520
they've seen that happen so people find

1295
00:53:06,470 --> 00:53:04,240
from across a crowded room just the

1296
00:53:10,230 --> 00:53:06,480
person that's going to push their

1297
00:53:11,910 --> 00:53:10,240
buttons and it it and and so

1298
00:53:14,390 --> 00:53:11,920
so they're so if they're if they don't

1299
00:53:16,549 --> 00:53:14,400
have the tools and skills

1300
00:53:19,670 --> 00:53:16,559
to really

1301
00:53:21,430 --> 00:53:19,680
heal what is from their past this just

1302
00:53:24,069 --> 00:53:21,440
becomes a source of tension in the

1303
00:53:27,990 --> 00:53:24,079
relationship but

1304
00:53:32,309 --> 00:53:28,000
what is new in the last 20 years is that

1305
00:53:35,349 --> 00:53:32,319
we really do have tools to change those

1306
00:53:36,150 --> 00:53:35,359
early patterns those deep learnings

1307
00:53:39,510 --> 00:53:36,160
and

1308
00:53:42,549 --> 00:53:39,520
the tools that i'm most fond of are

1309
00:53:45,109 --> 00:53:42,559
related to donna's uh work but they're a

1310
00:53:47,589 --> 00:53:45,119
little different she's uh her work is

1311
00:53:50,549 --> 00:53:47,599
energy medicine these tools come from

1312
00:53:52,309 --> 00:53:50,559
energy psychology which was the topic

1313
00:53:55,030 --> 00:53:52,319
reader that you and i talked about when

1314
00:53:56,630 --> 00:53:55,040
we when i was last on the show and

1315
00:53:59,750 --> 00:53:56,640
energy psychology

1316
00:54:01,430 --> 00:53:59,760
um eft emotional freedom techniques is

1317
00:54:03,990 --> 00:54:01,440
one form of it

1318
00:54:07,030 --> 00:54:04,000
can very quickly

1319
00:54:09,990 --> 00:54:07,040
uh you know speaking as a therapist

1320
00:54:11,190 --> 00:54:10,000
who i've been a therapist for 40 years

1321
00:54:13,430 --> 00:54:11,200
and

1322
00:54:15,349 --> 00:54:13,440
i i just watched all the innovations

1323
00:54:17,670 --> 00:54:15,359
that have come in and i haven't seen one

1324
00:54:19,270 --> 00:54:17,680
coming that's more effective for quickly

1325
00:54:22,710 --> 00:54:19,280
shifting deep

1326
00:54:23,589 --> 00:54:22,720
patterns that are are learned very early

1327
00:54:31,510 --> 00:54:23,599
so

1328
00:54:33,270 --> 00:54:31,520
partner can go to places that maybe your

1329
00:54:36,630 --> 00:54:33,280
parents were not able to go with one

1330
00:54:38,549 --> 00:54:36,640
another um of course of course sometimes

1331
00:54:42,069 --> 00:54:38,559
there's a chemistry where people are

1332
00:54:45,109 --> 00:54:42,079
able to do that without outside help and

1333
00:54:46,710 --> 00:54:45,119
but but for most people to have tools

1334
00:54:49,190 --> 00:54:46,720
that let them

1335
00:54:51,910 --> 00:54:49,200
change those deep patterns in a way that

1336
00:54:54,390 --> 00:54:51,920
supports the relationship makes all the

1337
00:54:56,470 --> 00:54:54,400
difference in the world so that's the

1338
00:54:59,349 --> 00:54:56,480
second part of the book is

1339
00:55:00,470 --> 00:54:59,359
the learned aspects of love and how to

1340
00:55:02,710 --> 00:55:00,480
shift them

1341
00:55:04,309 --> 00:55:02,720
and then the third part of the book

1342
00:55:07,990 --> 00:55:04,319
is called

1343
00:55:10,150 --> 00:55:08,000
mutually created aspects of love that is

1344
00:55:11,670 --> 00:55:10,160
you come into the relationship with what

1345
00:55:14,230 --> 00:55:11,680
you've inherited and how you've learned

1346
00:55:16,789 --> 00:55:14,240
to work with it you come in with what

1347
00:55:18,789 --> 00:55:16,799
you have learned and how much you have

1348
00:55:20,390 --> 00:55:18,799
or haven't transformed it and you're

1349
00:55:23,510 --> 00:55:20,400
facing your partner

1350
00:55:25,829 --> 00:55:23,520
and you are about to go on an adventure

1351
00:55:28,309 --> 00:55:25,839
that no one in history has ever gone on

1352
00:55:31,270 --> 00:55:28,319
you're about to create a relationship

1353
00:55:33,349 --> 00:55:31,280
that is new on the planet and

1354
00:55:34,390 --> 00:55:33,359
there are a variety of things that you

1355
00:55:37,109 --> 00:55:34,400
can do

1356
00:55:40,150 --> 00:55:37,119
to make that a more exciting and

1357
00:55:41,829 --> 00:55:40,160
fulfilling journey and certainly the

1358
00:55:44,230 --> 00:55:41,839
material in the first two parts of the

1359
00:55:46,630 --> 00:55:44,240
book are basics that you can do but you

1360
00:55:47,670 --> 00:55:46,640
all the three sections in that book are

1361
00:55:50,470 --> 00:55:47,680
called

1362
00:55:51,589 --> 00:55:50,480
sex is nature's energy medicine for

1363
00:55:53,990 --> 00:55:51,599
couples

1364
00:55:57,589 --> 00:55:54,000
and that is recognizing how important

1365
00:55:59,829 --> 00:55:57,599
physical contact is many couples after

1366
00:56:01,349 --> 00:55:59,839
a decade or two decades or three decades

1367
00:56:04,630 --> 00:56:01,359
don't touch as much

1368
00:56:06,069 --> 00:56:04,640
and yet a seven second hug

1369
00:56:09,990 --> 00:56:06,079
actually gets

1370
00:56:12,150 --> 00:56:10,000
serotonin and oxytocin going enough that

1371
00:56:14,870 --> 00:56:12,160
it starts to build more of a bond

1372
00:56:16,390 --> 00:56:14,880
between you so just simply hugging

1373
00:56:18,390 --> 00:56:16,400
on a regular basis

1374
00:56:22,069 --> 00:56:18,400
is energetically feeding the

1375
00:56:25,510 --> 00:56:22,079
relationship and we go into the ways

1376
00:56:26,390 --> 00:56:25,520
that the sexual relationship can be kept

1377
00:56:28,710 --> 00:56:26,400
hot

1378
00:56:31,109 --> 00:56:28,720
over the years how how can be kept

1379
00:56:32,630 --> 00:56:31,119
exciting and it's very different

1380
00:56:34,549 --> 00:56:32,640
principles than early in the

1381
00:56:35,670 --> 00:56:34,559
relationship as the relationship has

1382
00:56:38,789 --> 00:56:35,680
matured

1383
00:56:40,230 --> 00:56:38,799
the second chapter in that section is

1384
00:56:42,549 --> 00:56:40,240
understanding

1385
00:56:46,150 --> 00:56:44,549
love can be more conscious or less

1386
00:56:49,670 --> 00:56:46,160
conscious it's called

1387
00:56:52,069 --> 00:56:49,680
love as a conscious partnership and

1388
00:56:54,150 --> 00:56:52,079
conscious as opposed to what

1389
00:56:55,270 --> 00:56:54,160
as opposed to unconscious partnership

1390
00:57:00,789 --> 00:56:55,280
yes

1391
00:57:02,549 --> 00:57:00,799
see you guys need to come on for two

1392
00:57:03,750 --> 00:57:02,559
hours the next time because we have

1393
00:57:04,549 --> 00:57:03,760
three minutes

1394
00:57:06,950 --> 00:57:04,559
three

1395
00:57:09,349 --> 00:57:06,960
little stinky minutes we can finish up

1396
00:57:11,430 --> 00:57:09,359
really fast so that okay so so bringing

1397
00:57:14,150 --> 00:57:11,440
making the relationship conscious and

1398
00:57:16,470 --> 00:57:14,160
then the last chapter is the spiritual

1399
00:57:18,470 --> 00:57:16,480
dimensions of a relationship

1400
00:57:21,910 --> 00:57:18,480
all of that can be

1401
00:57:23,670 --> 00:57:21,920
really cultivated and that's that's and

1402
00:57:25,349 --> 00:57:23,680
can be cultivated with energy techniques

1403
00:57:27,430 --> 00:57:25,359
and with also being aware that you want

1404
00:57:30,470 --> 00:57:27,440
to cultivate it so those those are the

1405
00:57:32,710 --> 00:57:30,480
three parts of the book and um the the

1406
00:57:34,789 --> 00:57:32,720
learned as the inherited aspects the

1407
00:57:37,109 --> 00:57:34,799
learned aspects and the mutually created

1408
00:57:38,870 --> 00:57:37,119
aspects of love and there's a lot that

1409
00:57:42,870 --> 00:57:38,880
you can do with each of them

1410
00:57:42,880 --> 00:57:49,190
okay

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so

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in these last minutes maybe we'll just

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tell people a little bit about um how to

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learn more if they want to we have that

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would be great are you teaching any

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classes on this topic

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we are but um that you can see what

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we're doing on our website the next one

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um isn't for um several is until next

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one on the topic um but our website

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keeps shows what we're up to and

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um also there's there are classes that

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are on videotape that people can get so

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um if they will go to

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the energies of love.com

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there's a lot of information about the

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have to offer and what i want to say

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real quick is that it may have sounded

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like well there's an awful lot of work

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to do the truth is it it

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it gets easier and easier and easier so

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that life is easier you know you you

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easier it gets so much easier the other

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side of that is that there's a lot of

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work to do if you don't use

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wise techniques with each other

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because that's hard work that's hard

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work and that's not any fun but life is

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a lot better when you

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engage the energy systems in your body

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to make your life better

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well okay we are going to end on that

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note

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thank you so much for coming on to the

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show

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and i look forward to having you back on

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okay thank you it's great to be on your

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show again yeah all right bye guys bye

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that's donna eden and david feinstein

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their book is the energy of love uh

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energyoflove.com

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as well as innersource.net

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and we'll be back

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the energies of love the energies the

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occulted history do the global elite

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jim marsh so

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please welcome to just energy radio jim

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mars hey jim how are you doing

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well i'm doing pretty tolerable there dr

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rita thanks a lot dude

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tolerable just tolerable

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oh okay

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it's not great but it's better than the

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okay i hear that

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um

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so we're going to talk about your book

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but i have a follow-up question for you

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from when you were on the last time and

1680
01:09:44,309 --> 01:09:41,279
i think we were talking about your

1681
01:09:47,510 --> 01:09:44,319
trillion dollar conspiracy book because

1682
01:09:49,990 --> 01:09:47,520
this has not left my mind and i haven't

1683
01:09:51,829 --> 01:09:50,000
had an opportunity to chit chat with you

1684
01:09:53,669 --> 01:09:51,839
and i'm like well i got you on air and i

1685
01:09:57,669 --> 01:09:53,679
think it would be interesting for the

1686
01:10:00,830 --> 01:09:57,679
listeners well as we as we say in the uh

1687
01:10:02,790 --> 01:10:00,840
jfk assassination research community

1688
01:10:05,750 --> 01:10:02,800
shoot

1689
01:10:07,030 --> 01:10:05,760
oh you're on a roll tonight i can tell i

1690
01:10:09,110 --> 01:10:07,040
can tell

1691
01:10:11,510 --> 01:10:09,120
um but one of the things that you and

1692
01:10:13,990 --> 01:10:11,520
i'm gonna say stated but i'm totally

1693
01:10:16,390 --> 01:10:14,000
paraphrasing this and i don't exactly

1694
01:10:18,070 --> 01:10:16,400
remember the context

1695
01:10:20,070 --> 01:10:18,080
and i don't know what i'm talking about

1696
01:10:21,030 --> 01:10:20,080
but i'm throwing it out there anyway

1697
01:10:23,350 --> 01:10:21,040
um

1698
01:10:26,229 --> 01:10:23,360
but you said it's good my answer seemed

1699
01:10:28,470 --> 01:10:26,239
very very urinating okay but you said

1700
01:10:30,870 --> 01:10:28,480
something to the effect that inflation

1701
01:10:33,430 --> 01:10:30,880
wasn't going to occur in our future

1702
01:10:36,149 --> 01:10:33,440
because of the value of the dollar

1703
01:10:38,070 --> 01:10:36,159
but because of scarcity

1704
01:10:40,229 --> 01:10:38,080
and with all the issues going on on the

1705
01:10:42,630 --> 01:10:40,239
planet right now for example the drought

1706
01:10:45,830 --> 01:10:42,640
conditions in california and around the

1707
01:10:47,990 --> 01:10:45,840
world do you see this still happening

1708
01:10:51,030 --> 01:10:48,000
and at what scale

1709
01:10:53,030 --> 01:10:51,040
oh yes in fact i'll tell you one of the

1710
01:10:55,189 --> 01:10:53,040
points that's pointing to that that's

1711
01:10:57,590 --> 01:10:55,199
they're trying to slip through on us

1712
01:10:59,830 --> 01:10:57,600
without any uh everybody really noticing

1713
01:11:02,470 --> 01:10:59,840
what's happening is this uh

1714
01:11:04,470 --> 01:11:02,480
trans-pacific partnership

1715
01:11:06,790 --> 01:11:04,480
that's being fast-tracked through

1716
01:11:08,709 --> 01:11:06,800
congress which uh and pushed along by

1717
01:11:10,709 --> 01:11:08,719
president obama

1718
01:11:12,950 --> 01:11:10,719
that nobody really accepts some of the

1719
01:11:15,830 --> 01:11:12,960
major multinational corporations have

1720
01:11:18,070 --> 01:11:15,840
really had a chance to study or vote on

1721
01:11:19,910 --> 01:11:18,080
or figure out what's in it

1722
01:11:21,510 --> 01:11:19,920
and it's going to bring even more and

1723
01:11:24,149 --> 01:11:21,520
tighter control

1724
01:11:25,910 --> 01:11:24,159
over all kinds of things including

1725
01:11:27,669 --> 01:11:25,920
food supplies

1726
01:11:30,709 --> 01:11:27,679
under these giant multinational

1727
01:11:33,669 --> 01:11:30,719
corporations it's kind of nafta on

1728
01:11:35,110 --> 01:11:33,679
steroids and but nobody much seems to be

1729
01:11:38,950 --> 01:11:35,120
talking about it particularly the

1730
01:11:43,669 --> 01:11:40,550
and

1731
01:11:45,270 --> 01:11:43,679
can you explain what the impact would be

1732
01:11:47,110 --> 01:11:45,280
i would i would assume that there would

1733
01:11:49,350 --> 01:11:47,120
be free trade

1734
01:11:51,430 --> 01:11:49,360
going around except of course we would

1735
01:11:53,189 --> 01:11:51,440
let everybody have our stuff for free

1736
01:11:55,189 --> 01:11:53,199
and then we would have to pay taxes on

1737
01:11:57,750 --> 01:11:55,199
everything that they have right right

1738
01:12:00,149 --> 01:11:57,760
there's that plus it's it's gonna it's a

1739
01:12:02,310 --> 01:12:00,159
it's going to give the multinational

1740
01:12:04,790 --> 01:12:02,320
corporations the big guys more and more

1741
01:12:07,030 --> 01:12:04,800
clout as if they need more i mean

1742
01:12:09,350 --> 01:12:07,040
spreading courts already said that they

1743
01:12:11,750 --> 01:12:09,360
can be counted like individuals and can

1744
01:12:13,910 --> 01:12:11,760
give all the campaign money that they

1745
01:12:16,070 --> 01:12:13,920
want to with no particular record of

1746
01:12:18,709 --> 01:12:16,080
who's getting it and how much

1747
01:12:20,870 --> 01:12:18,719
so uh you know this oligarchy that we're

1748
01:12:24,550 --> 01:12:20,880
putting into place is just getting more

1749
01:12:26,870 --> 01:12:24,560
and more uh solidified

1750
01:12:28,470 --> 01:12:26,880
would that mean that these corporations

1751
01:12:30,870 --> 01:12:28,480
would be able to and i'm going to say

1752
01:12:33,590 --> 01:12:30,880
divert their

1753
01:12:36,070 --> 01:12:33,600
goods to places that they want them to

1754
01:12:38,310 --> 01:12:36,080
go and so if they're not liking the

1755
01:12:40,550 --> 01:12:38,320
united states for some reason they would

1756
01:12:43,110 --> 01:12:40,560
just send their stuff to china or send

1757
01:12:44,550 --> 01:12:43,120
it to russia or wherever they felt like

1758
01:12:46,149 --> 01:12:44,560
it kind of well

1759
01:12:48,229 --> 01:12:46,159
they're already

1760
01:12:50,229 --> 01:12:48,239
tilting the balance to where

1761
01:12:51,110 --> 01:12:50,239
you know the united states is no longer

1762
01:13:13,350 --> 01:12:51,120
a

1763
01:13:16,149 --> 01:13:13,360
uh here in this country uh it's not

1764
01:13:19,270 --> 01:13:16,159
doing uh the american public

1765
01:13:21,270 --> 01:13:19,280
any particular good uh and when they get

1766
01:13:24,310 --> 01:13:21,280
this thing all tied up it'll probably

1767
01:13:25,669 --> 01:13:24,320
mean increases in the cost of

1768
01:13:28,950 --> 01:13:25,679
goods and

1769
01:13:33,830 --> 01:13:31,510
okay so there's that part and the reason

1770
01:13:36,470 --> 01:13:33,840
i'm asking was asking there's all this

1771
01:13:39,030 --> 01:13:36,480
drought stuff that happened then they

1772
01:13:41,830 --> 01:13:39,040
were killing cows and pigs and the

1773
01:13:43,110 --> 01:13:41,840
almond orchards weren't producing and

1774
01:13:44,870 --> 01:13:43,120
there wasn't

1775
01:13:46,709 --> 01:13:44,880
i mean it just seemed like just the

1776
01:13:47,830 --> 01:13:46,719
drought just taking that one little

1777
01:13:49,830 --> 01:13:47,840
piece

1778
01:13:51,750 --> 01:13:49,840
means that next year

1779
01:13:52,790 --> 01:13:51,760
you know the food supply in the united

1780
01:13:54,229 --> 01:13:52,800
states

1781
01:13:57,270 --> 01:13:54,239
is going to be

1782
01:13:59,350 --> 01:13:57,280
really limited or much more limited than

1783
01:14:01,430 --> 01:13:59,360
it has been in the past as well

1784
01:14:03,030 --> 01:14:01,440
well there's a lot of problems going on

1785
01:14:05,350 --> 01:14:03,040
that are not being talked about in the

1786
01:14:06,709 --> 01:14:05,360
media they'd rather talk about ferguson

1787
01:14:09,910 --> 01:14:06,719
or or

1788
01:14:12,550 --> 01:14:09,920
the latest celebrity news uh fukushima

1789
01:14:16,630 --> 01:14:12,560
is still gushing on radiation

1790
01:14:19,270 --> 01:14:16,640
the pacific is uh becoming a dead sea uh

1791
01:14:22,870 --> 01:14:19,280
they actually the the oil spill in the

1792
01:14:25,110 --> 01:14:22,880
gulf has never completely been uh

1793
01:14:27,030 --> 01:14:25,120
cleaned up or even stopped they just

1794
01:14:28,870 --> 01:14:27,040
keep they're still spraying corrects it

1795
01:14:31,189 --> 01:14:28,880
down there and dumping all that oil down

1796
01:14:33,430 --> 01:14:31,199
towards the bottom of the caribbean and

1797
01:14:36,310 --> 01:14:33,440
it's becoming the gulf of mexico and

1798
01:14:38,550 --> 01:14:36,320
it's becoming a dead body of water too

1799
01:14:40,790 --> 01:14:38,560
pretty much like the mediterranean and

1800
01:14:42,950 --> 01:14:40,800
so and then water of course is getting

1801
01:14:45,189 --> 01:14:42,960
more and more scarce anyway california

1802
01:14:46,870 --> 01:14:45,199
as you say is experiencing drought

1803
01:14:49,350 --> 01:14:46,880
conditions and what a lot of people are

1804
01:14:51,669 --> 01:14:49,360
not being told is that they're already

1805
01:14:54,950 --> 01:14:51,679
in critical situation because they're

1806
01:14:57,030 --> 01:14:54,960
already using some of their uh reserve

1807
01:14:59,350 --> 01:14:57,040
aquifers and which are going down and

1808
01:15:01,270 --> 01:14:59,360
when they're gone it's gone

1809
01:15:04,790 --> 01:15:01,280
you know so i mean we got a lot of

1810
01:15:06,709 --> 01:15:04,800
things going on and unfortunately uh it

1811
01:15:08,830 --> 01:15:06,719
is not really being discussed in the

1812
01:15:11,510 --> 01:15:08,840
corporate mainstream

1813
01:15:13,350 --> 01:15:11,520
media well i just fear you know housing

1814
01:15:15,590 --> 01:15:13,360
prices will go up in texas because all

1815
01:15:17,590 --> 01:15:15,600
those california people will move here

1816
01:15:19,750 --> 01:15:17,600
that's right they got to go somewhere

1817
01:15:21,669 --> 01:15:19,760
you know and

1818
01:15:23,430 --> 01:15:21,679
i guess we could hold a bunch in texas

1819
01:15:26,149 --> 01:15:23,440
for a while but

1820
01:15:28,229 --> 01:15:26,159
it's what i've noticed over my lifetime

1821
01:15:30,310 --> 01:15:28,239
is that when a lot of people are clumped

1822
01:15:32,630 --> 01:15:30,320
together in a huge big city

1823
01:15:35,510 --> 01:15:32,640
and uh and they have problems with

1824
01:15:37,350 --> 01:15:35,520
traffic and crime and pollution and they

1825
01:15:39,430 --> 01:15:37,360
say we've got to get out so they all

1826
01:15:42,310 --> 01:15:39,440
move out to some clean pretty little

1827
01:15:44,229 --> 01:15:42,320
suburb and and all they do is bring all

1828
01:15:47,189 --> 01:15:44,239
that with them and before long those

1829
01:15:49,510 --> 01:15:47,199
little suburbs are are overbuilt and and

1830
01:15:52,950 --> 01:15:49,520
they're suffering from crime and traffic

1831
01:15:55,990 --> 01:15:52,960
congestion and pollution

1832
01:15:57,430 --> 01:15:56,000
taken as a whole this trans-pacific

1833
01:15:59,590 --> 01:15:57,440
partnership

1834
01:16:01,669 --> 01:15:59,600
and what's going on with fukushima and

1835
01:16:04,790 --> 01:16:01,679
what's going on in the gulf and the

1836
01:16:07,350 --> 01:16:04,800
drought issue and all these issues

1837
01:16:09,910 --> 01:16:07,360
when do when would you guess your best

1838
01:16:12,070 --> 01:16:09,920
guess estimate that this might come to a

1839
01:16:14,470 --> 01:16:12,080
head i mean we're already seeing food

1840
01:16:16,550 --> 01:16:14,480
prices rise i i do think it's

1841
01:16:18,149 --> 01:16:16,560
interesting that gas prices are going

1842
01:16:20,870 --> 01:16:18,159
down but i think that's more of a

1843
01:16:21,669 --> 01:16:20,880
placation to the american people but

1844
01:16:23,030 --> 01:16:21,679
yeah

1845
01:16:24,630 --> 01:16:23,040
they'll wait till the heights of the

1846
01:16:26,149 --> 01:16:24,640
holiday season when everybody's trying

1847
01:16:28,310 --> 01:16:26,159
to get out on the road and trying to go

1848
01:16:29,669 --> 01:16:28,320
visit relatives and do last minute

1849
01:16:32,790 --> 01:16:29,679
shopping and they'll probably run the

1850
01:16:34,870 --> 01:16:32,800
price up again uh you know a long time

1851
01:16:36,310 --> 01:16:34,880
ago gave up trying to figure out

1852
01:16:39,030 --> 01:16:36,320
why they uh

1853
01:16:40,870 --> 01:16:39,040
how they figured the gasoline

1854
01:16:41,669 --> 01:16:40,880
price at the pump

1855
01:16:43,189 --> 01:16:41,679
but

1856
01:16:46,070 --> 01:16:43,199
let me give you some good news though

1857
01:16:47,750 --> 01:16:46,080
see okay we like good news the

1858
01:16:50,630 --> 01:16:47,760
there's a lot of interesting and good

1859
01:16:52,390 --> 01:16:50,640
things happening um i'm in touch with

1860
01:16:53,350 --> 01:16:52,400
people that are working hard on free

1861
01:16:56,310 --> 01:16:53,360
energy

1862
01:16:59,189 --> 01:16:56,320
and they think if they had the proper

1863
01:17:01,830 --> 01:16:59,199
government support and or

1864
01:17:04,070 --> 01:17:01,840
funding that they could come up with all

1865
01:17:06,630 --> 01:17:04,080
kinds of alternative energy it's

1866
01:17:08,229 --> 01:17:06,640
non-polluting

1867
01:17:11,030 --> 01:17:08,239
there's a whole

1868
01:17:13,750 --> 01:17:11,040
revolution fixing to happen

1869
01:17:16,390 --> 01:17:13,760
because of this 3d printing which most

1870
01:17:18,790 --> 01:17:16,400
people don't really understand

1871
01:17:20,390 --> 01:17:18,800
including me i'm not very technical but

1872
01:17:22,149 --> 01:17:20,400
i do understand that they now have the

1873
01:17:24,470 --> 01:17:22,159
capability

1874
01:17:26,390 --> 01:17:24,480
of scanning any object

1875
01:17:29,270 --> 01:17:26,400
and then

1876
01:17:30,709 --> 01:17:29,280
duplicating it through 3d printing

1877
01:17:33,430 --> 01:17:30,719
using uh

1878
01:17:34,950 --> 01:17:33,440
plasticized materials that they can be

1879
01:17:37,350 --> 01:17:34,960
really hard i know the government is

1880
01:17:39,270 --> 01:17:37,360
already working to try to pass laws

1881
01:17:41,669 --> 01:17:39,280
against making a gun

1882
01:17:43,590 --> 01:17:41,679
with 3d printing now you know 3d

1883
01:17:45,510 --> 01:17:43,600
printers are now down really really good

1884
01:17:47,990 --> 01:17:45,520
ones for maybe a thousand two thousand

1885
01:17:49,350 --> 01:17:48,000
dollars and it's estimated within a few

1886
01:17:50,950 --> 01:17:49,360
years they're going to be down around

1887
01:17:53,669 --> 01:17:50,960
five hundred dollars to two hundred

1888
01:17:55,590 --> 01:17:53,679
dollars and you can have a 3d printer in

1889
01:17:58,630 --> 01:17:55,600
your own home and you can make your own

1890
01:18:00,709 --> 01:17:58,640
gun you can make your own uh controls

1891
01:18:02,950 --> 01:18:00,719
and you can make your your own machinery

1892
01:18:05,350 --> 01:18:02,960
and you can do all kinds of things

1893
01:18:08,229 --> 01:18:05,360
that's going to revolutionize everything

1894
01:18:10,790 --> 01:18:08,239
and because we can decentralize and we

1895
01:18:13,830 --> 01:18:10,800
can take the monopolies away from some

1896
01:18:16,229 --> 01:18:13,840
of these multi-national corporations and

1897
01:18:19,590 --> 01:18:16,239
we could start working as

1898
01:18:21,590 --> 01:18:19,600
fully aware and awake individuals

1899
01:18:23,430 --> 01:18:21,600
working mutually

1900
01:18:25,430 --> 01:18:23,440
and cooperatively

1901
01:18:27,189 --> 01:18:25,440
to have better communities

1902
01:18:28,950 --> 01:18:27,199
and that's that's on the horizon but

1903
01:18:31,030 --> 01:18:28,960
you're never going to hear about that

1904
01:18:33,990 --> 01:18:31,040
in the corporate control mass media

1905
01:18:37,189 --> 01:18:34,000
because their job is to promote fear and

1906
01:18:39,430 --> 01:18:37,199
anxiety and dissension and keep

1907
01:18:42,470 --> 01:18:39,440
everybody in each other's throats so

1908
01:18:44,790 --> 01:18:42,480
that we don't understand the one percent

1909
01:18:47,270 --> 01:18:44,800
that's trying to run the world over our

1910
01:18:51,350 --> 01:18:49,270
you know that 3d printer is making me

1911
01:18:52,550 --> 01:18:51,360
think of like a replicator from star

1912
01:18:53,430 --> 01:18:52,560
trek

1913
01:18:54,870 --> 01:18:53,440
yeah

1914
01:18:56,550 --> 01:18:54,880
exactly

1915
01:18:58,790 --> 01:18:56,560
and that's how it works and of course if

1916
01:19:01,270 --> 01:18:58,800
we can kind of do that now using

1917
01:19:03,590 --> 01:19:01,280
expensive printers well then you know a

1918
01:19:05,750 --> 01:19:03,600
few years think about how think about

1919
01:19:07,669 --> 01:19:05,760
how cell phones how much they cost when

1920
01:19:10,950 --> 01:19:07,679
you had to buy the big unit with the

1921
01:19:12,790 --> 01:19:10,960
antenna and a hand and a a

1922
01:19:14,630 --> 01:19:12,800
hand speaker and everything that you

1923
01:19:17,030 --> 01:19:14,640
carried in your car and now everybody's

1924
01:19:19,270 --> 01:19:17,040
got one in their pocket i mean you know

1925
01:19:21,030 --> 01:19:19,280
as this as they perfect it and as it

1926
01:19:23,430 --> 01:19:21,040
gets more and more

1927
01:19:24,950 --> 01:19:23,440
sophisticated

1928
01:19:27,510 --> 01:19:24,960
there's going to be more and more power

1929
01:19:29,750 --> 01:19:27,520
to the individuals okay

1930
01:19:31,270 --> 01:19:29,760
and that's really a good thing but again

1931
01:19:32,390 --> 01:19:31,280
you're not going to hear much about that

1932
01:19:34,229 --> 01:19:32,400
out of the

1933
01:19:36,950 --> 01:19:34,239
mass media because they are geared

1934
01:19:38,950 --> 01:19:36,960
towards the masses and they

1935
01:19:40,630 --> 01:19:38,960
are run by people who

1936
01:19:43,030 --> 01:19:40,640
really don't want people to know that

1937
01:19:45,270 --> 01:19:43,040
there is a possible good future coming

1938
01:19:47,270 --> 01:19:45,280
up they want to keep people scared

1939
01:19:49,189 --> 01:19:47,280
and agitated and fighting with each

1940
01:19:52,310 --> 01:19:49,199
other so they can maintain their power

1941
01:19:56,550 --> 01:19:54,149
what a world all right jim we're going

1942
01:19:58,149 --> 01:19:56,560
to stop on that line we're going to stop

1943
01:20:00,550 --> 01:19:58,159
on that line and we're going to shift

1944
01:20:02,630 --> 01:20:00,560
gears because we can keep talking for

1945
01:20:04,470 --> 01:20:02,640
our little hour on that

1946
01:20:06,310 --> 01:20:04,480
well it comes back it comes back to our

1947
01:20:08,870 --> 01:20:06,320
cultured history actually

1948
01:20:11,189 --> 01:20:08,880
because let me quickly point out that in

1949
01:20:13,910 --> 01:20:11,199
my in my latest book our occulted

1950
01:20:15,750 --> 01:20:13,920
history i use the term occulted let me

1951
01:20:18,470 --> 01:20:15,760
assure you this is not a book about

1952
01:20:20,470 --> 01:20:18,480
witches or vampires or zombies or

1953
01:20:23,110 --> 01:20:20,480
anything we normally that's what all my

1954
01:20:25,270 --> 01:20:23,120
questions were about

1955
01:20:28,709 --> 01:20:25,280
that's about that people normally

1956
01:20:30,229 --> 01:20:28,719
associate that with the word occult no

1957
01:20:33,750 --> 01:20:30,239
in a cult did i use it in the

1958
01:20:36,070 --> 01:20:33,760
astronomical sense okay when the moon

1959
01:20:37,590 --> 01:20:36,080
eclipses the sun it's called an

1960
01:20:39,750 --> 01:20:37,600
occultation

1961
01:20:41,669 --> 01:20:39,760
and it simply means that it hides or

1962
01:20:43,910 --> 01:20:41,679
masks the sun

1963
01:20:45,910 --> 01:20:43,920
so when i say our occult history i'm

1964
01:20:49,189 --> 01:20:45,920
basically saying this is about our

1965
01:20:52,229 --> 01:20:49,199
history that has been hidden from us and

1966
01:20:53,990 --> 01:20:52,239
it's really pretty it's a fascinating

1967
01:20:56,390 --> 01:20:54,000
subject when you get into it in fact i'm

1968
01:20:59,110 --> 01:20:56,400
always trying to remind people always

1969
01:21:01,030 --> 01:20:59,120
question human origins

1970
01:21:02,950 --> 01:21:01,040
uh you know there's we've got various

1971
01:21:03,910 --> 01:21:02,960
religions that give you various stories

1972
01:21:06,229 --> 01:21:03,920
you've got

1973
01:21:07,669 --> 01:21:06,239
various cults that tell you that it's

1974
01:21:09,910 --> 01:21:07,679
something moving on the shell of a

1975
01:21:12,470 --> 01:21:09,920
turtle and you know you got you got all

1976
01:21:15,270 --> 01:21:12,480
kinds of weird things going on but the

1977
01:21:17,510 --> 01:21:15,280
ball faced fact is we really don't know

1978
01:21:20,229 --> 01:21:17,520
where we came from why we're here where

1979
01:21:22,629 --> 01:21:20,239
we are now or where we're going

1980
01:21:24,229 --> 01:21:22,639
and uh that is some of the most

1981
01:21:26,950 --> 01:21:24,239
fundamental questions that we should

1982
01:21:29,590 --> 01:21:26,960
even have and yet we have records from

1983
01:21:31,189 --> 01:21:29,600
all around the world that tell us and

1984
01:21:33,030 --> 01:21:31,199
lead us to

1985
01:21:35,750 --> 01:21:33,040
answers to those questions

1986
01:21:39,030 --> 01:21:35,760
for example one of the common

1987
01:21:41,189 --> 01:21:39,040
threads in all of these ancient stories

1988
01:21:42,790 --> 01:21:41,199
from these primitive cultures and

1989
01:21:45,189 --> 01:21:42,800
ancient cultures

1990
01:21:48,149 --> 01:21:45,199
is that at one point and and this is

1991
01:21:51,030 --> 01:21:48,159
from the aborigines in australia to the

1992
01:21:53,669 --> 01:21:51,040
native americans in the uh america in

1993
01:21:56,629 --> 01:21:53,679
the middle united what is now the united

1994
01:21:59,830 --> 01:21:56,639
states to the middle east to dogon tribe

1995
01:22:01,910 --> 01:21:59,840
in africa to the mayans and the incas

1996
01:22:04,390 --> 01:22:01,920
and they all tell the same thing that

1997
01:22:06,950 --> 01:22:04,400
that these

1998
01:22:09,910 --> 01:22:06,960
beings came from the sky

1999
01:22:12,149 --> 01:22:09,920
were able to fly around came down landed

2000
01:22:14,950 --> 01:22:12,159
and taught them how to grow crops and

2001
01:22:17,669 --> 01:22:14,960
how to set up a legal system and how to

2002
01:22:19,910 --> 01:22:17,679
devise a language and of course a lot of

2003
01:22:23,030 --> 01:22:19,920
this was miraculous to these primitive

2004
01:22:25,189 --> 01:22:23,040
people so both in the storytelling and

2005
01:22:28,790 --> 01:22:25,199
in the interpretation

2006
01:22:30,229 --> 01:22:28,800
in later centuries uh these beings were

2007
01:22:33,350 --> 01:22:30,239
called gods

2008
01:22:34,470 --> 01:22:33,360
and that's where we get our mythologies

2009
01:22:37,110 --> 01:22:34,480
from

2010
01:22:40,070 --> 01:22:37,120
and yet if you really check

2011
01:22:43,270 --> 01:22:40,080
you find that almost all those uh

2012
01:22:46,310 --> 01:22:43,280
mythologies uh come back to some really

2013
01:22:50,550 --> 01:22:48,550
basic personality traits and

2014
01:22:52,390 --> 01:22:50,560
characterizations that actually show

2015
01:22:55,189 --> 01:22:52,400
they're probably all talking about the

2016
01:22:56,870 --> 01:22:55,199
same personalities the same people for

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01:22:58,310 --> 01:22:56,880
example

2018
01:23:02,070 --> 01:22:58,320
in uh

2019
01:23:03,350 --> 01:23:02,080
in the ancient sumerian mythology uh the

2020
01:23:06,470 --> 01:23:03,360
god who

2021
01:23:09,430 --> 01:23:06,480
was in charge of the earth was enlil in

2022
01:23:12,149 --> 01:23:09,440
the egyptian mythology his same

2023
01:23:14,950 --> 01:23:12,159
characteristics but his name was seth

2024
01:23:18,310 --> 01:23:14,960
in the greeks greek mythologies it was

2025
01:23:20,550 --> 01:23:18,320
zeus and in the roman it was jupiter but

2026
01:23:21,990 --> 01:23:20,560
it appears like they're all referring to

2027
01:23:24,310 --> 01:23:22,000
the same entity

2028
01:23:26,470 --> 01:23:24,320
it's just that the name changed due to

2029
01:23:27,830 --> 01:23:26,480
the language changes isn't that

2030
01:23:30,390 --> 01:23:27,840
interesting

2031
01:23:32,709 --> 01:23:30,400
well i'm just going to say amen because

2032
01:23:35,189 --> 01:23:32,719
i have been on that bandwagon for two

2033
01:23:39,030 --> 01:23:35,199
years and people look at me like no

2034
01:23:41,270 --> 01:23:39,040
they're not it's like yes they are

2035
01:23:42,709 --> 01:23:41,280
do you want my list of stuff

2036
01:23:45,030 --> 01:23:42,719
just because you're taught something

2037
01:23:48,550 --> 01:23:45,040
doesn't necessarily mean it's correct

2038
01:23:51,350 --> 01:23:48,560
but like the the warrior god and the

2039
01:23:54,229 --> 01:23:51,360
sumerian is marduk and the egyptian is

2040
01:23:57,350 --> 01:23:54,239
horus and the greek he's ares and then

2041
01:23:58,790 --> 01:23:57,360
the roman he's mars but nevertheless

2042
01:24:01,110 --> 01:23:58,800
basically we're talking about the same

2043
01:24:03,669 --> 01:24:01,120
characteristics so is it possible that

2044
01:24:08,790 --> 01:24:03,679
they're talking about the same entity

2045
01:24:14,070 --> 01:24:10,870
cuneiform tablets of the ancient

2046
01:24:15,830 --> 01:24:14,080
sumerians the anunnaki which translates

2047
01:24:18,790 --> 01:24:15,840
those who came from the heavens and

2048
01:24:21,189 --> 01:24:18,800
landed on the earth

2049
01:24:23,990 --> 01:24:21,199
do you think now i have my personal

2050
01:24:26,229 --> 01:24:24,000
opinion i'd like to hear yours that the

2051
01:24:27,990 --> 01:24:26,239
anunnaki was

2052
01:24:30,950 --> 01:24:28,000
the only group

2053
01:24:32,709 --> 01:24:30,960
or do you think that there were multiple

2054
01:24:36,149 --> 01:24:32,719
groups and it just so happens that the

2055
01:24:39,669 --> 01:24:36,159
sumerians refer to either the sky people

2056
01:24:41,910 --> 01:24:39,679
as the anunnaki or just a segment of

2057
01:24:43,030 --> 01:24:41,920
the extraterrestrials that have come to

2058
01:24:45,189 --> 01:24:43,040
the earth

2059
01:24:47,430 --> 01:24:45,199
and interacted with humanity

2060
01:24:49,270 --> 01:24:47,440
that's a really good question and i

2061
01:24:53,110 --> 01:24:49,280
personally think that

2062
01:24:55,510 --> 01:24:53,120
i think there were several uh species

2063
01:24:57,350 --> 01:24:55,520
and it depends on who

2064
01:25:01,030 --> 01:24:57,360
they interacted with this is the

2065
01:25:02,550 --> 01:25:01,040
sumerians the the people there in the uh

2066
01:25:04,629 --> 01:25:02,560
the uh

2067
01:25:07,110 --> 01:25:04,639
triangle the the

2068
01:25:08,629 --> 01:25:07,120
tigris euphrates valley

2069
01:25:11,750 --> 01:25:08,639
they they thought of them as the

2070
01:25:15,590 --> 01:25:11,760
anunnaki the dogon tribe you know said

2071
01:25:17,990 --> 01:25:15,600
they were somebody else and ever the uh

2072
01:25:21,430 --> 01:25:18,000
uh the uh i believe it was the mayans

2073
01:25:23,830 --> 01:25:21,440
who had the kukla

2074
01:25:28,229 --> 01:25:23,840
yeah causal coral yeah i can never say

2075
01:25:32,550 --> 01:25:30,149
the concepts are the same the names

2076
01:25:34,790 --> 01:25:32,560
change because of the various languages

2077
01:25:37,270 --> 01:25:34,800
my personal opinion is there's several

2078
01:25:39,830 --> 01:25:37,280
species that have interacted on the

2079
01:25:42,070 --> 01:25:39,840
earth and it just kind of depends on who

2080
01:25:43,990 --> 01:25:42,080
they were interacting with

2081
01:25:46,870 --> 01:25:44,000
that described them in sometimes in

2082
01:25:49,430 --> 01:25:46,880
slightly different ways

2083
01:25:53,030 --> 01:25:49,440
although it is also entirely possible

2084
01:25:56,310 --> 01:25:53,040
that at one time the annunaki was one

2085
01:25:58,310 --> 01:25:56,320
race that was interacting with the earth

2086
01:26:00,149 --> 01:25:58,320
but according their own records they

2087
01:26:03,189 --> 01:26:00,159
were of course uh

2088
01:26:04,629 --> 01:26:03,199
tinkering with the genetics of

2089
01:26:07,110 --> 01:26:04,639
earth primitives

2090
01:26:09,350 --> 01:26:07,120
and this is how they

2091
01:26:11,189 --> 01:26:09,360
according to their own writings uh in

2092
01:26:13,350 --> 01:26:11,199
the sumerian tablets they said this is

2093
01:26:15,270 --> 01:26:13,360
how they were able to come up with

2094
01:26:18,709 --> 01:26:15,280
a hybrid

2095
01:26:20,870 --> 01:26:18,719
that was a worker race forum and this

2096
01:26:23,350 --> 01:26:20,880
might also answer the age-old question

2097
01:26:27,430 --> 01:26:23,360
of where is the missing link between

2098
01:26:29,990 --> 01:26:27,440
neanderthal and cro-magnon or modern man

2099
01:26:31,830 --> 01:26:30,000
which scientists now tell us were two

2100
01:26:33,030 --> 01:26:31,840
separate species and could not

2101
01:26:35,189 --> 01:26:33,040
interbreed

2102
01:26:37,669 --> 01:26:35,199
so wait a minute if there's no link

2103
01:26:39,590 --> 01:26:37,679
there then how did we jump from

2104
01:26:41,990 --> 01:26:39,600
from neanderthal to cro-magnon and the

2105
01:26:45,910 --> 01:26:42,000
answer may be because the

2106
01:26:47,830 --> 01:26:45,920
our dna was tweaked by these anunnaki

2107
01:26:50,149 --> 01:26:47,840
and for those who are saying oh mars

2108
01:26:52,629 --> 01:26:50,159
trying to say that we're that god's

2109
01:26:54,229 --> 01:26:52,639
really an alien well no because

2110
01:26:57,430 --> 01:26:54,239
interestingly enough in their ancient

2111
01:27:00,629 --> 01:26:57,440
tablets the anunnaki themselves had

2112
01:27:02,950 --> 01:27:00,639
theological arguments and and saying

2113
01:27:05,350 --> 01:27:02,960
this it's not right for us to create

2114
01:27:08,390 --> 01:27:05,360
anything you know only the creative

2115
01:27:09,910 --> 01:27:08,400
energy of god can do that so they number

2116
01:27:13,350 --> 01:27:09,920
one that's interesting to think that

2117
01:27:14,629 --> 01:27:13,360
they themselves thought in terms of a

2118
01:27:19,110 --> 01:27:14,639
creative

2119
01:27:21,830 --> 01:27:19,120
force that they saw as a as a god

2120
01:27:24,629 --> 01:27:21,840
and their science officers simply argued

2121
01:27:27,430 --> 01:27:24,639
that by tinkering with the dna of the

2122
01:27:29,910 --> 01:27:27,440
earth primitives and changing them from

2123
01:27:32,310 --> 01:27:29,920
neanderthal to cro-magnon that they

2124
01:27:34,790 --> 01:27:32,320
weren't creating anything only god can

2125
01:27:37,750 --> 01:27:34,800
create but they were simply improving

2126
01:27:39,750 --> 01:27:37,760
the breed which is exactly what humans

2127
01:27:42,629 --> 01:27:39,760
have done all through history with

2128
01:27:44,470 --> 01:27:42,639
animals and sheep and you know cows dogs

2129
01:27:46,870 --> 01:27:44,480
cats you know we interbreed them and we

2130
01:27:49,590 --> 01:27:46,880
breed them biologically

2131
01:27:51,910 --> 01:27:49,600
for our mutations and to alter and to

2132
01:27:54,310 --> 01:27:51,920
improve the breed well that's what they

2133
01:27:57,030 --> 01:27:54,320
did with us but they did it by

2134
01:27:59,189 --> 01:27:57,040
tampering with the

2135
01:28:04,390 --> 01:27:59,199
dna

2136
01:28:08,870 --> 01:28:06,070
were anything but

2137
01:28:10,950 --> 01:28:08,880
kind and omnipotent

2138
01:28:12,310 --> 01:28:10,960
and well some learned some weren't they

2139
01:28:16,629 --> 01:28:12,320
were just like

2140
01:28:18,790 --> 01:28:16,639
group of people you know some of them

2141
01:28:20,550 --> 01:28:18,800
were good some of them were kind of evil

2142
01:28:22,790 --> 01:28:20,560
some of them felt kindly towards

2143
01:28:24,390 --> 01:28:22,800
humanity and others felt you know

2144
01:28:25,750 --> 01:28:24,400
antagonistic

2145
01:28:27,510 --> 01:28:25,760
towards us and

2146
01:28:29,430 --> 01:28:27,520
and you know it's just pretty much the

2147
01:28:31,510 --> 01:28:29,440
same thing you know you can even go to

2148
01:28:33,910 --> 01:28:31,520
the animal kingdom and you could have a

2149
01:28:35,669 --> 01:28:33,920
litter of puppies and one's friendly and

2150
01:28:38,629 --> 01:28:35,679
nice and then the other one is

2151
01:28:40,470 --> 01:28:38,639
skitterish and aggressive you know it's

2152
01:28:43,830 --> 01:28:40,480
just it's the difference in the

2153
01:28:50,629 --> 01:28:45,430
um

2154
01:28:54,830 --> 01:28:52,470
that's why that's why the old testament

2155
01:28:56,790 --> 01:28:54,840
gets very confusing

2156
01:28:59,110 --> 01:28:56,800
because hand well because on the one

2157
01:29:01,590 --> 01:28:59,120
hand we're told that he that

2158
01:29:03,750 --> 01:29:01,600
the the israelites bible

2159
01:29:07,189 --> 01:29:03,760
that i mean because the myth line that

2160
01:29:09,189 --> 01:29:07,199
is in the bible parallels everybody else

2161
01:29:10,550 --> 01:29:09,199
i mean it's undeniable the same

2162
01:29:13,189 --> 01:29:10,560
storyline

2163
01:29:15,030 --> 01:29:13,199
with one exception in the bible you can

2164
01:29:16,550 --> 01:29:15,040
only have one god

2165
01:29:18,709 --> 01:29:16,560
right you know you can't have multiple

2166
01:29:21,110 --> 01:29:18,719
gods and so there was someone

2167
01:29:22,830 --> 01:29:21,120
with a five gallon bucket of white out

2168
01:29:25,990 --> 01:29:22,840
and they were just like

2169
01:29:27,270 --> 01:29:26,000
quick take his name out all right now

2170
01:29:28,709 --> 01:29:27,280
it's yahweh

2171
01:29:30,870 --> 01:29:28,719
and they had to take out half the

2172
01:29:32,390 --> 01:29:30,880
stories because you can't have gods

2173
01:29:35,030 --> 01:29:32,400
fighting with each other if there's only

2174
01:29:37,830 --> 01:29:35,040
one that's right and yet they slipped up

2175
01:29:39,430 --> 01:29:37,840
occasionally like back in

2176
01:29:42,470 --> 01:29:39,440
when they're talking about the tower of

2177
01:29:45,270 --> 01:29:42,480
babel you know they quote the monolithic

2178
01:29:47,990 --> 01:29:45,280
monotheistic god is saying let us go

2179
01:29:51,830 --> 01:29:48,000
down and let us do this you know wait a

2180
01:29:54,629 --> 01:29:51,840
minute is that like the royal queen's we

2181
01:29:57,430 --> 01:29:54,639
you know we are not amused or were they

2182
01:30:01,270 --> 01:29:57,440
talking about a council of uh these

2183
01:30:03,430 --> 01:30:01,280
annunaki who the humans mistakenly were

2184
01:30:06,310 --> 01:30:03,440
interpreting as gods

2185
01:30:08,310 --> 01:30:06,320
so it's it's a very interesting it's an

2186
01:30:11,750 --> 01:30:08,320
interesting topic and really fascinating

2187
01:30:12,870 --> 01:30:11,760
i was just schizophrenic that's it

2188
01:30:14,950 --> 01:30:12,880
yeah

2189
01:30:17,030 --> 01:30:14,960
well you know he's one day he's in good

2190
01:30:18,229 --> 01:30:17,040
mood and the next day he's in the foul

2191
01:30:19,830 --> 01:30:18,239
mood so

2192
01:30:22,950 --> 01:30:19,840
but that's what happens with the

2193
01:30:24,950 --> 01:30:22,960
monotheistic god uh but i think

2194
01:30:26,229 --> 01:30:24,960
basically that you're talking about two

2195
01:30:28,390 --> 01:30:26,239
separate things here i think you're

2196
01:30:30,870 --> 01:30:28,400
talking about ancient astronauts these

2197
01:30:33,990 --> 01:30:30,880
anunnaki who came here who colonized

2198
01:30:37,669 --> 01:30:34,000
here who tampered with earth primitives

2199
01:30:40,390 --> 01:30:37,679
this was a materialistic reality that

2200
01:30:43,510 --> 01:30:40,400
was taking place on the physical plane

2201
01:30:44,390 --> 01:30:43,520
okay and yet over superimposed over all

2202
01:30:47,590 --> 01:30:44,400
of that

2203
01:30:50,470 --> 01:30:47,600
was and the energy that energizes the

2204
01:30:52,950 --> 01:30:50,480
entire universe and at some point uh

2205
01:30:54,790 --> 01:30:52,960
even many scientists are now coming to

2206
01:30:57,590 --> 01:30:54,800
understand that there

2207
01:31:00,470 --> 01:30:57,600
was a creative energy force to begin

2208
01:31:03,510 --> 01:31:00,480
with that gave order and rhyme and

2209
01:31:06,629 --> 01:31:03,520
reason to the universe that uh was a

2210
01:31:08,470 --> 01:31:06,639
creative energy force that pretty well

2211
01:31:10,149 --> 01:31:08,480
fits the definition of what we would

2212
01:31:13,110 --> 01:31:10,159
think of as a god

2213
01:31:15,510 --> 01:31:13,120
uh you know that but but if that's the

2214
01:31:17,510 --> 01:31:15,520
case then that would get into the new

2215
01:31:18,550 --> 01:31:17,520
age type thinking which is that we're

2216
01:31:23,510 --> 01:31:18,560
all

2217
01:31:27,510 --> 01:31:23,520
you would support that i would

2218
01:31:28,830 --> 01:31:27,520
yeah and so uh we're all just facets of

2219
01:31:31,750 --> 01:31:28,840
this

2220
01:31:34,790 --> 01:31:31,760
energy sentient energy package that

2221
01:31:37,430 --> 01:31:34,800
collectively could be called god uh in

2222
01:31:40,550 --> 01:31:37,440
fact we see this reflected in our own

2223
01:31:43,350 --> 01:31:40,560
technology uh in your computer you have

2224
01:31:46,709 --> 01:31:43,360
what they call bites and bits just

2225
01:31:48,229 --> 01:31:46,719
little bits of electrical and uh

2226
01:31:49,510 --> 01:31:48,239
magnetic

2227
01:31:51,830 --> 01:31:49,520
energy

2228
01:31:53,669 --> 01:31:51,840
and and individually they don't count

2229
01:31:55,990 --> 01:31:53,679
for much but when you put them all

2230
01:31:57,270 --> 01:31:56,000
together and you have billions of them

2231
01:31:59,830 --> 01:31:57,280
then you get

2232
01:32:01,590 --> 01:31:59,840
artificial intelligence and you get a

2233
01:32:04,950 --> 01:32:01,600
machine that's capable of doing

2234
01:32:07,189 --> 01:32:04,960
mathematics and of solving problems and

2235
01:32:08,310 --> 01:32:07,199
like that so you just you know so i

2236
01:32:09,910 --> 01:32:08,320
think that

2237
01:32:12,390 --> 01:32:09,920
we can see that

2238
01:32:14,950 --> 01:32:12,400
it's the combination of all these little

2239
01:32:17,350 --> 01:32:14,960
bits of energy that create the

2240
01:32:19,910 --> 01:32:17,360
artificial intelligence in our computer

2241
01:32:22,310 --> 01:32:19,920
well then we as individual sparks of

2242
01:32:23,669 --> 01:32:22,320
energy collectively

2243
01:32:27,430 --> 01:32:23,679
form a

2244
01:32:28,310 --> 01:32:27,440
sentient uh energetic mind that's pretty

2245
01:32:30,070 --> 01:32:28,320
much

2246
01:32:36,149 --> 01:32:30,080
knows everything and is part of

2247
01:32:42,390 --> 01:32:39,430
well if it's the definition of god

2248
01:32:44,070 --> 01:32:42,400
well and i like that example and i might

2249
01:32:46,149 --> 01:32:44,080
steal it i don't know i'll have to think

2250
01:32:48,149 --> 01:32:46,159
about it go ahead go ahead

2251
01:32:51,350 --> 01:32:48,159
but that is a really cool stolen from

2252
01:32:55,430 --> 01:32:53,750
but it's that's true in it you know

2253
01:32:56,950 --> 01:32:55,440
but i think people can but i think

2254
01:32:59,110 --> 01:32:56,960
people can wrap their mind around it

2255
01:33:01,270 --> 01:32:59,120
because you know i've always heard it

2256
01:33:05,030 --> 01:33:01,280
referred to as like

2257
01:33:06,310 --> 01:33:05,040
the rays of the sun or the

2258
01:33:08,709 --> 01:33:06,320
stone

2259
01:33:10,390 --> 01:33:08,719
drops of water that collectively form

2260
01:33:12,629 --> 01:33:10,400
the ocean you know

2261
01:33:15,110 --> 01:33:12,639
but i i've always had a hard time

2262
01:33:16,149 --> 01:33:15,120
correlating the ocean with with a

2263
01:33:19,750 --> 01:33:16,159
sentient

2264
01:33:21,270 --> 01:33:19,760
you know mine but with the computer it

2265
01:33:24,149 --> 01:33:21,280
really it does kind of put in

2266
01:33:26,550 --> 01:33:24,159
perspective because we are all the bits

2267
01:33:29,110 --> 01:33:26,560
we are all individual bits

2268
01:33:33,990 --> 01:33:29,120
that collectively form the

2269
01:33:39,430 --> 01:33:36,870
well

2270
01:33:41,750 --> 01:33:39,440
i'm sorry they keep talking to me about

2271
01:33:44,790 --> 01:33:41,760
network issues and it's just like stop

2272
01:33:47,030 --> 01:33:44,800
bugging me guys deal with it

2273
01:33:49,430 --> 01:33:47,040
trying to deal with god here i'm dealing

2274
01:33:51,669 --> 01:33:49,440
with god oh wait jim morris that's

2275
01:33:55,189 --> 01:33:51,679
godlike

2276
01:33:57,030 --> 01:33:55,199
but let's let's shift gears here um

2277
01:33:59,430 --> 01:33:57,040
what are your thoughts on the

2278
01:34:02,149 --> 01:33:59,440
possibility that the moon is hollow or

2279
01:34:03,270 --> 01:34:02,159
that other planets or celestial body

2280
01:34:07,189 --> 01:34:03,280
bodies

2281
01:34:09,990 --> 01:34:07,199
are hollow and housing et's

2282
01:34:13,030 --> 01:34:10,000
well for one thing if you look at

2283
01:34:15,270 --> 01:34:13,040
the moon and call uh iopetus

2284
01:34:18,470 --> 01:34:15,280
i-a-p-e-t-u-s

2285
01:34:20,310 --> 01:34:18,480
it's uh it's a moon of saturn and uh

2286
01:34:21,270 --> 01:34:20,320
it's really incredible because number

2287
01:34:26,870 --> 01:34:21,280
one

2288
01:34:29,110 --> 01:34:26,880
coloration a very distinct dark side and

2289
01:34:31,910 --> 01:34:29,120
a light side that that kind of swirls

2290
01:34:34,870 --> 01:34:31,920
and an s and uh looks for all the world

2291
01:34:35,990 --> 01:34:34,880
like the uh famous yin yang

2292
01:34:38,390 --> 01:34:36,000
uh

2293
01:34:40,229 --> 01:34:38,400
chinese symbol in fact it's been called

2294
01:34:40,950 --> 01:34:40,239
the yin yang moon

2295
01:34:43,669 --> 01:34:40,960
uh

2296
01:34:46,629 --> 01:34:43,679
and even better than that

2297
01:34:48,709 --> 01:34:46,639
there appears to be a ridge a mountain

2298
01:34:50,790 --> 01:34:48,719
ridge right around the equator of

2299
01:34:53,270 --> 01:34:50,800
viopitis

2300
01:34:56,070 --> 01:34:53,280
that like sections the thing off from

2301
01:34:58,709 --> 01:34:56,080
one side to another and then this huge

2302
01:35:01,189 --> 01:34:58,719
crater up on one side

2303
01:35:04,229 --> 01:35:01,199
and it looks for all the world like the

2304
01:35:06,390 --> 01:35:04,239
death star in star wars

2305
01:35:11,109 --> 01:35:06,400
and this is we're just one of the the

2306
01:35:17,510 --> 01:35:13,430
some people have uh

2307
01:35:19,189 --> 01:35:17,520
may be a an unnatural object but then

2308
01:35:21,910 --> 01:35:19,199
when you get to the moon our own moon

2309
01:35:26,629 --> 01:35:21,920
the idea that it's hollow

2310
01:35:30,229 --> 01:35:26,639
on november the 20th 1969 apollo 12 sent

2311
01:35:32,629 --> 01:35:30,239
their lunar module a cent stage and

2312
01:35:34,709 --> 01:35:32,639
dropped it off and it went crashing back

2313
01:35:38,070 --> 01:35:34,719
onto the surface of the moon

2314
01:35:40,470 --> 01:35:38,080
and it created an artificial moonquake

2315
01:35:44,149 --> 01:35:42,310
the

2316
01:35:45,950 --> 01:35:44,159
officials at nasa

2317
01:35:48,149 --> 01:35:45,960
said that uh

2318
01:35:50,390 --> 01:35:48,159
ultra-sensitive seismic equipment that

2319
01:35:53,189 --> 01:35:50,400
had been left on the moon showed that

2320
01:35:53,990 --> 01:35:53,199
when this thing crashed into the moon it

2321
01:35:57,350 --> 01:35:54,000
uh

2322
01:35:59,109 --> 01:35:57,360
the moon reverberated like a bell

2323
01:36:01,669 --> 01:35:59,119
for hours

2324
01:36:03,430 --> 01:36:01,679
which could only be possible if it was

2325
01:36:05,990 --> 01:36:03,440
like hollow

2326
01:36:08,229 --> 01:36:06,000
uh we also know that the center of

2327
01:36:11,830 --> 01:36:08,239
gravity thanks to a

2328
01:36:13,990 --> 01:36:11,840
ground penetrating radar is off center

2329
01:36:16,870 --> 01:36:14,000
on the moon it's about two miles off

2330
01:36:19,189 --> 01:36:16,880
true center which means that if any ball

2331
01:36:20,950 --> 01:36:19,199
if you have a center in the ball it's

2332
01:36:22,629 --> 01:36:20,960
off center and then ball it's not going

2333
01:36:24,709 --> 01:36:22,639
to roll straight across the floor it's

2334
01:36:26,709 --> 01:36:24,719
going to wobble all around so the moon

2335
01:36:29,030 --> 01:36:26,719
should be wobbling around in its orbit

2336
01:36:31,109 --> 01:36:29,040
around the earth and yet it's in a near

2337
01:36:34,070 --> 01:36:31,119
perfect circular orbit right around the

2338
01:36:36,149 --> 01:36:34,080
equator and stationary with one side

2339
01:36:39,510 --> 01:36:36,159
always facing the earth

2340
01:36:41,109 --> 01:36:39,520
which is pretty much impossible for a

2341
01:36:43,990 --> 01:36:41,119
natural object

2342
01:36:46,550 --> 01:36:44,000
and the only way that you could actually

2343
01:36:48,229 --> 01:36:46,560
explain how that could be and by the way

2344
01:36:50,070 --> 01:36:48,239
it just happens to be the correct

2345
01:36:53,750 --> 01:36:50,080
distance from the earth

2346
01:36:56,229 --> 01:36:53,760
that when there is a solar eclipse uh it

2347
01:36:57,270 --> 01:36:56,239
complete it completely covers the corona

2348
01:36:59,430 --> 01:36:57,280
of the sun

2349
01:37:02,070 --> 01:36:59,440
perfectly and so it's at a perfect

2350
01:37:04,229 --> 01:37:02,080
distance there uh to cover the sun

2351
01:37:06,550 --> 01:37:04,239
during the eclipse now the the only way

2352
01:37:09,030 --> 01:37:06,560
you can explain it being in such an

2353
01:37:11,750 --> 01:37:09,040
orbit is that some intelligent force

2354
01:37:13,270 --> 01:37:11,760
parked it there you know

2355
01:37:15,430 --> 01:37:13,280
but then of course this shows our

2356
01:37:17,669 --> 01:37:15,440
circular thinking because we all know

2357
01:37:19,510 --> 01:37:17,679
there's no such thing as aliens

2358
01:37:21,990 --> 01:37:19,520
but we know the moon's been there as far

2359
01:37:24,149 --> 01:37:22,000
back as we know and we know we didn't

2360
01:37:26,629 --> 01:37:24,159
put it up there so

2361
01:37:27,910 --> 01:37:26,639
we just won't talk about that

2362
01:37:29,430 --> 01:37:27,920
and they don't

2363
01:37:32,870 --> 01:37:29,440
well and that was something that i was

2364
01:37:35,430 --> 01:37:32,880
thinking about if these uh celestial

2365
01:37:37,910 --> 01:37:35,440
bodies were put into place by

2366
01:37:42,390 --> 01:37:37,920
extraterrestrials

2367
01:37:43,590 --> 01:37:42,400
it was long long before our current

2368
01:37:47,030 --> 01:37:43,600
history

2369
01:37:49,350 --> 01:37:47,040
um we know that from mythology and even

2370
01:37:51,990 --> 01:37:49,360
from the bible you know it says god put

2371
01:37:54,070 --> 01:37:52,000
the sun the moon and the stars in place

2372
01:37:55,990 --> 01:37:54,080
and so is it possible that that is

2373
01:37:57,750 --> 01:37:56,000
referring to them putting these

2374
01:37:59,510 --> 01:37:57,760
planetoids

2375
01:38:02,070 --> 01:37:59,520
in their proper location or in the

2376
01:38:05,510 --> 01:38:02,080
location we see them today well there

2377
01:38:07,430 --> 01:38:05,520
are certain ancient records that tell of

2378
01:38:09,270 --> 01:38:07,440
the time when there was no moon in the

2379
01:38:11,669 --> 01:38:09,280
sky

2380
01:38:12,709 --> 01:38:11,679
okay i haven't found that one

2381
01:38:15,030 --> 01:38:12,719
yeah

2382
01:38:16,709 --> 01:38:15,040
it tells that they put them in the sky

2383
01:38:17,510 --> 01:38:16,719
but i don't know that i found any that

2384
01:38:20,149 --> 01:38:17,520
said

2385
01:38:22,550 --> 01:38:20,159
that there wasn't one

2386
01:38:28,950 --> 01:38:25,510
think i wrote about that in uh

2387
01:38:31,189 --> 01:38:28,960
in our cultured history i'd have to take

2388
01:38:33,669 --> 01:38:31,199
me some time here to go dig that up but

2389
01:38:36,470 --> 01:38:33,679
meanwhile go ahead go ahead go ahead

2390
01:38:38,790 --> 01:38:36,480
well i'll give you my own personal story

2391
01:38:41,430 --> 01:38:38,800
i once had the opportunity to sit down

2392
01:38:43,669 --> 01:38:41,440
and talk with uh dr edgar mitchell the

2393
01:38:45,830 --> 01:38:43,679
sixth man to walk on the moon

2394
01:38:47,990 --> 01:38:45,840
and i just asked him point blank i said

2395
01:38:51,030 --> 01:38:48,000
you know dr mitchell what do you feel

2396
01:38:53,510 --> 01:38:51,040
about the idea that the moon is hollow

2397
01:38:55,990 --> 01:38:53,520
well he starts kind of laughing oh he

2398
01:38:57,990 --> 01:38:56,000
says all the moon's not hollow but then

2399
01:39:00,390 --> 01:38:58,000
he continued and he said of course we do

2400
01:39:01,830 --> 01:39:00,400
know that the heavier materials are on

2401
01:39:03,669 --> 01:39:01,840
the outside

2402
01:39:06,229 --> 01:39:03,679
and the softer materials on the inside

2403
01:39:07,990 --> 01:39:06,239
which is kind of strange and he said

2404
01:39:10,470 --> 01:39:08,000
actually he said what

2405
01:39:13,750 --> 01:39:10,480
we scientists think is that there may be

2406
01:39:15,350 --> 01:39:13,760
giant caverns inside the moon well you

2407
01:39:17,510 --> 01:39:15,360
know here's an

2408
01:39:18,950 --> 01:39:17,520
astronaut hero who's been the moon i

2409
01:39:20,149 --> 01:39:18,960
didn't want to get in his face but i'm

2410
01:39:22,709 --> 01:39:20,159
sitting here thinking well now wait a

2411
01:39:26,629 --> 01:39:22,719
minute holla moon giant caverns in the

2412
01:39:31,189 --> 01:39:28,790
uh

2413
01:39:33,109 --> 01:39:31,199
you can walk around through the caverns

2414
01:39:35,590 --> 01:39:33,119
and if it was hollow

2415
01:39:37,510 --> 01:39:35,600
i don't know you could just follow all

2416
01:39:40,709 --> 01:39:37,520
the way to china yeah you can walk

2417
01:39:43,189 --> 01:39:40,719
around the inside you know sure i don't

2418
01:39:45,430 --> 01:39:43,199
know it's uh but all i know is that

2419
01:39:47,590 --> 01:39:45,440
there's a lot of strange things that

2420
01:39:49,990 --> 01:39:47,600
have to do with the moon in fact as far

2421
01:39:52,709 --> 01:39:50,000
back as the earliest invention of the

2422
01:39:56,870 --> 01:39:54,790
men have reported seeing lights moving

2423
01:39:59,430 --> 01:39:56,880
around on the moon and structures that

2424
01:40:01,430 --> 01:39:59,440
kind of come and go uh in the early 50s

2425
01:40:03,109 --> 01:40:01,440
as i recall there was a story that

2426
01:40:05,590 --> 01:40:03,119
actually began running in the new york

2427
01:40:07,830 --> 01:40:05,600
times about the fact that they saw what

2428
01:40:10,470 --> 01:40:07,840
appeared to be like a bridge between

2429
01:40:13,350 --> 01:40:10,480
these two craters uh on the moon and

2430
01:40:15,109 --> 01:40:13,360
they would uh get other astronomers take

2431
01:40:17,109 --> 01:40:15,119
a look they saw it too and it was there

2432
01:40:18,870 --> 01:40:17,119
for several weeks and then all of a

2433
01:40:21,350 --> 01:40:18,880
sudden it wasn't there anymore

2434
01:40:22,550 --> 01:40:21,360
so there's just a lot of strange things

2435
01:40:25,189 --> 01:40:22,560
are

2436
01:40:28,470 --> 01:40:25,199
they photoshopped

2437
01:40:29,270 --> 01:40:28,480
they didn't have photoshop in the 50s

2438
01:40:32,149 --> 01:40:29,280
but

2439
01:40:34,950 --> 01:40:32,159
this is a lot of anomalies

2440
01:40:38,950 --> 01:40:34,960
about the moon like the shard this is

2441
01:40:41,270 --> 01:40:38,960
some kind of object that that is builds

2442
01:40:43,830 --> 01:40:41,280
upwards to almost a mile

2443
01:40:45,510 --> 01:40:43,840
off the moon's surface and

2444
01:40:47,350 --> 01:40:45,520
they photograph it there are nasa

2445
01:40:48,390 --> 01:40:47,360
photographs of it but nobody knows what

2446
01:40:51,189 --> 01:40:48,400
it is

2447
01:40:55,590 --> 01:40:51,199
uh even the uh uh

2448
01:40:58,950 --> 01:40:55,600
apollo 11 uh astronauts uh armstrong and

2449
01:41:00,149 --> 01:40:58,960
aldrin before a day before they landed

2450
01:41:03,669 --> 01:41:00,159
on the famous

2451
01:41:05,910 --> 01:41:03,679
moon landing in august of 1969.

2452
01:41:07,189 --> 01:41:05,920
uh newspapers were reporting that they

2453
01:41:08,310 --> 01:41:07,199
were

2454
01:41:10,709 --> 01:41:08,320
telling

2455
01:41:14,070 --> 01:41:10,719
nasa control about a bright light that

2456
01:41:15,350 --> 01:41:14,080
they could see emanating from inside a

2457
01:41:17,189 --> 01:41:15,360
crater

2458
01:41:20,310 --> 01:41:17,199
near aristarcus

2459
01:41:22,550 --> 01:41:20,320
and uh you know they they hypothesized

2460
01:41:25,030 --> 01:41:22,560
that that must have been due to volcanic

2461
01:41:28,229 --> 01:41:25,040
activity and yet after we got to the

2462
01:41:30,950 --> 01:41:28,239
moon studied it all out now the idea is

2463
01:41:33,270 --> 01:41:30,960
is that there is no volcanic activity on

2464
01:41:35,910 --> 01:41:33,280
the moon so what produces light that

2465
01:41:38,629 --> 01:41:35,920
these astronauts saw there's just a lot

2466
01:41:40,550 --> 01:41:38,639
of these such anomalies and i i love the

2467
01:41:45,990 --> 01:41:40,560
word anomaly that's a kind of a

2468
01:41:48,709 --> 01:41:46,000
scientific jargon for wtf you know

2469
01:41:51,430 --> 01:41:48,719
we don't know what it is

2470
01:41:52,629 --> 01:41:51,440
and we don't want to so we don't really

2471
01:41:56,470 --> 01:41:52,639
want to know

2472
01:41:58,950 --> 01:41:56,480
it may throw our whole cosmology into uh

2473
01:42:00,709 --> 01:41:58,960
disrepute you know

2474
01:42:03,350 --> 01:42:00,719
what do you think about the people that

2475
01:42:05,910 --> 01:42:03,360
claim that there are bases on the moon

2476
01:42:09,189 --> 01:42:05,920
and that you know we are making active

2477
01:42:11,910 --> 01:42:09,199
trips up there and obama has been to

2478
01:42:14,790 --> 01:42:11,920
mars and i mean some of the stuff i find

2479
01:42:16,629 --> 01:42:14,800
a little fantastic where do you weigh in

2480
01:42:19,590 --> 01:42:16,639
on some of that stuff

2481
01:42:23,350 --> 01:42:19,600
well uh i'd have to say that that's in

2482
01:42:24,950 --> 01:42:23,360
my file okay my file is when i get

2483
01:42:26,709 --> 01:42:24,960
information

2484
01:42:28,550 --> 01:42:26,719
and i go huh

2485
01:42:30,629 --> 01:42:28,560
you know i don't know if it's true i

2486
01:42:34,149 --> 01:42:30,639
don't know if it's false so i put in my

2487
01:42:36,390 --> 01:42:34,159
file and followed away uh to see if uh

2488
01:42:40,310 --> 01:42:36,400
if i get further information that either

2489
01:42:42,470 --> 01:42:40,320
confirms or denies this thing as far as

2490
01:42:45,430 --> 01:42:42,480
we have bases and we have a secret space

2491
01:42:47,189 --> 01:42:45,440
fleet out there yada yada uh i myself

2492
01:42:49,590 --> 01:42:47,199
have talked to a navy commander who

2493
01:42:53,030 --> 01:42:49,600
claims that he's made a trip to venus

2494
01:42:56,470 --> 01:42:53,040
okay and uh happen to know and of course

2495
01:42:58,950 --> 01:42:56,480
you've got the uh experience of of that

2496
01:43:01,669 --> 01:42:58,960
guy who hacked into the pentagon

2497
01:43:03,270 --> 01:43:01,679
computers uh mckinnon who was still

2498
01:43:04,870 --> 01:43:03,280
hiding out over in england you know

2499
01:43:05,590 --> 01:43:04,880
because they want to bring him back over

2500
01:43:08,229 --> 01:43:05,600
here

2501
01:43:10,950 --> 01:43:08,239
and put him in prison for life because

2502
01:43:13,270 --> 01:43:10,960
he hacked into the pentagon computers

2503
01:43:15,109 --> 01:43:13,280
gary mckinnon and uh

2504
01:43:17,990 --> 01:43:15,119
and yet the pentagon admits that he

2505
01:43:20,070 --> 01:43:18,000
didn't do any damage and mckinnon said

2506
01:43:22,790 --> 01:43:20,080
he was simply looking for

2507
01:43:25,990 --> 01:43:22,800
proof of the existence of ufos and what

2508
01:43:28,149 --> 01:43:26,000
he found was uh our secret space fleet

2509
01:43:30,709 --> 01:43:28,159
the names of ships the names of officers

2510
01:43:31,350 --> 01:43:30,719
and personnel that are up there manning

2511
01:43:33,669 --> 01:43:31,360
them

2512
01:43:35,669 --> 01:43:33,679
now where there's any reality that i i

2513
01:43:37,910 --> 01:43:35,679
don't know but it's interesting that

2514
01:43:39,990 --> 01:43:37,920
they're trying to extradite mckinnon and

2515
01:43:41,590 --> 01:43:40,000
put him away in prison even though by

2516
01:43:43,750 --> 01:43:41,600
their own admission he didn't do any

2517
01:43:46,390 --> 01:43:43,760
harm to anybody and if all that's just

2518
01:43:48,870 --> 01:43:46,400
hogwash and there's no such thing as our

2519
01:43:50,790 --> 01:43:48,880
secret space fleet then why are they so

2520
01:43:52,470 --> 01:43:50,800
hot to extradite him and put him in

2521
01:43:54,709 --> 01:43:52,480
prison

2522
01:43:57,189 --> 01:43:54,719
okay we have neutron in the chat room

2523
01:43:59,590 --> 01:43:57,199
that wants to know if china's

2524
01:44:02,390 --> 01:43:59,600
recent moon rover has found anything on

2525
01:44:05,189 --> 01:44:02,400
the moon that nasa has hidden from us

2526
01:44:07,030 --> 01:44:05,199
uh not to my knowledge

2527
01:44:09,270 --> 01:44:07,040
i was kind of keeping my eye on that

2528
01:44:10,790 --> 01:44:09,280
myself to see if they would come back

2529
01:44:12,629 --> 01:44:10,800
and go hey

2530
01:44:14,390 --> 01:44:12,639
what what i often wondered was what if

2531
01:44:16,310 --> 01:44:14,400
they go to the

2532
01:44:20,149 --> 01:44:16,320
apollo 11 landing site and there's

2533
01:44:24,070 --> 01:44:22,229
but frankly i haven't heard well i

2534
01:44:25,350 --> 01:44:24,080
haven't heard anything so i don't know

2535
01:44:26,870 --> 01:44:25,360
that doesn't mean they haven't found

2536
01:44:29,430 --> 01:44:26,880
anything it may mean that we're not

2537
01:44:31,430 --> 01:44:29,440
being told about that too but

2538
01:44:33,430 --> 01:44:31,440
as at this point i'm not sure that they

2539
01:44:35,510 --> 01:44:33,440
found anything

2540
01:44:37,910 --> 01:44:35,520
but you know that's um

2541
01:44:39,590 --> 01:44:37,920
kind of an interesting little

2542
01:44:41,990 --> 01:44:39,600
point you brought up

2543
01:44:44,629 --> 01:44:42,000
has anybody looked at the photos to see

2544
01:44:47,590 --> 01:44:44,639
if our space debris and our garbage that

2545
01:44:49,910 --> 01:44:47,600
we left on the moon is there

2546
01:44:51,669 --> 01:44:49,920
good good question

2547
01:44:53,750 --> 01:44:51,679
you know there's the whole controversy

2548
01:44:56,950 --> 01:44:53,760
did we go there in the first place

2549
01:44:57,910 --> 01:44:56,960
exactly um well i know that they have

2550
01:45:00,709 --> 01:44:57,920
uh

2551
01:45:02,870 --> 01:45:00,719
bounced signals off of a repeater on the

2552
01:45:03,750 --> 01:45:02,880
moon and gotten it back

2553
01:45:05,990 --> 01:45:03,760
and

2554
01:45:09,270 --> 01:45:06,000
they say this is proof that the signals

2555
01:45:11,510 --> 01:45:09,280
on apollo 11 and those and the other

2556
01:45:13,669 --> 01:45:11,520
apollo missions actually came from the

2557
01:45:15,750 --> 01:45:13,679
moon but then

2558
01:45:17,430 --> 01:45:15,760
when i talked to scientific people they

2559
01:45:20,629 --> 01:45:17,440
remind me that

2560
01:45:23,510 --> 01:45:20,639
all you had to do was put a repeater or

2561
01:45:25,910 --> 01:45:23,520
broadcast transmitter on the moon and it

2562
01:45:28,390 --> 01:45:25,920
would bounce back whatever you send it

2563
01:45:30,229 --> 01:45:28,400
and so you could always send messages

2564
01:45:31,270 --> 01:45:30,239
back to there saying here we are we've

2565
01:45:33,510 --> 01:45:31,280
landed

2566
01:45:35,590 --> 01:45:33,520
and it would indeed be coming from the

2567
01:45:36,950 --> 01:45:35,600
moon but it would have originated on

2568
01:45:38,629 --> 01:45:36,960
earth

2569
01:45:41,189 --> 01:45:38,639
i don't know there's just some questions

2570
01:45:43,350 --> 01:45:41,199
there i am i personally feel like at

2571
01:45:45,669 --> 01:45:43,360
some point we did go to the moon

2572
01:45:46,550 --> 01:45:45,679
although there is an increasing debate

2573
01:45:50,229 --> 01:45:46,560
over

2574
01:45:52,149 --> 01:45:50,239
how we were able to go and gambigate

2575
01:45:54,070 --> 01:45:52,159
through hundreds of miles of the van

2576
01:45:57,270 --> 01:45:54,080
allen radiation belt

2577
01:45:59,910 --> 01:45:57,280
without any serious consequences

2578
01:46:02,310 --> 01:45:59,920
and one of the theories is is that we

2579
01:46:03,910 --> 01:46:02,320
never left low earth orbit

2580
01:46:06,149 --> 01:46:03,920
uh and

2581
01:46:08,390 --> 01:46:06,159
one of the arguments for that position

2582
01:46:11,590 --> 01:46:08,400
is the fact that we claimed we met the

2583
01:46:12,790 --> 01:46:11,600
moon six times but we've never gone back

2584
01:46:14,229 --> 01:46:12,800
you know

2585
01:46:16,310 --> 01:46:14,239
why not

2586
01:46:18,709 --> 01:46:16,320
i know i'm old enough to remember that

2587
01:46:20,070 --> 01:46:18,719
before we put people on the moon or

2588
01:46:21,830 --> 01:46:20,080
plane we did

2589
01:46:23,030 --> 01:46:21,840
the the argument was is that we're going

2590
01:46:24,790 --> 01:46:23,040
to build a

2591
01:46:26,310 --> 01:46:24,800
colony

2592
01:46:28,550 --> 01:46:26,320
put a base on the moon and we're going

2593
01:46:30,229 --> 01:46:28,560
to mine it for minerals that we can't

2594
01:46:31,750 --> 01:46:30,239
get on earth and

2595
01:46:34,470 --> 01:46:31,760
it's going to be profitable and it's

2596
01:46:37,270 --> 01:46:34,480
going to pay for the space missions

2597
01:46:40,149 --> 01:46:37,280
instead we said well we went there okay

2598
01:46:42,149 --> 01:46:40,159
dead world we didn't find much and and

2599
01:46:44,149 --> 01:46:42,159
uh it costs more and it makes you wonder

2600
01:46:46,229 --> 01:46:44,159
why we went through all that effort

2601
01:46:48,149 --> 01:46:46,239
exactly and the thing is what a lot of

2602
01:46:51,430 --> 01:46:48,159
people don't realize is it's not like

2603
01:46:54,470 --> 01:46:51,440
that we had a a whole lot of technical

2604
01:46:57,109 --> 01:46:54,480
work to do to try to go back they had 22

2605
01:46:58,950 --> 01:46:57,119
atlas rockets that had put the original

2606
01:47:01,109 --> 01:46:58,960
nasa uh

2607
01:47:04,390 --> 01:47:01,119
moon landers up

2608
01:47:06,310 --> 01:47:04,400
up into this space and uh all of a

2609
01:47:09,109 --> 01:47:06,320
sudden they said yeah but it was it

2610
01:47:11,109 --> 01:47:09,119
would be costly to try to go back

2611
01:47:12,870 --> 01:47:11,119
and you know what

2612
01:47:14,790 --> 01:47:12,880
i mean that's like building a rolls

2613
01:47:18,790 --> 01:47:14,800
royce and then say well we can't afford

2614
01:47:24,229 --> 01:47:21,590
well i actually went to houston and went

2615
01:47:26,310 --> 01:47:24,239
on the little you know nasa thing there

2616
01:47:28,550 --> 01:47:26,320
and they had a saturn v and i'm walking

2617
01:47:32,790 --> 01:47:28,560
around and i mean other than that thing

2618
01:47:36,390 --> 01:47:32,800
is huge but you can look inside parts of

2619
01:47:37,270 --> 01:47:36,400
it and you see these pc boards that

2620
01:47:38,950 --> 01:47:37,280
are

2621
01:47:41,270 --> 01:47:38,960
you know they're they're not covered

2622
01:47:43,310 --> 01:47:41,280
over so there's no vibration control on

2623
01:47:46,310 --> 01:47:43,320
them they got these big old

2624
01:47:48,950 --> 01:47:46,320
resistors and capacitors on and i'm

2625
01:47:50,950 --> 01:47:48,960
looking in there going

2626
01:47:52,790 --> 01:47:50,960
this actually is supposed to go to the

2627
01:47:56,390 --> 01:47:52,800
moon i mean we probably have more

2628
01:47:58,790 --> 01:47:56,400
technology in our watches now

2629
01:48:01,590 --> 01:47:58,800
that was in this whole

2630
01:48:04,709 --> 01:48:01,600
giant thing that went to the moon and

2631
01:48:07,669 --> 01:48:04,719
back it's amazing but uh

2632
01:48:09,350 --> 01:48:07,679
you're uh i probably have an iphone and

2633
01:48:11,590 --> 01:48:09,360
there's more computing power in that

2634
01:48:14,550 --> 01:48:11,600
iphone than they had in all of nasa to

2635
01:48:16,070 --> 01:48:14,560
put the moon missions uh

2636
01:48:18,550 --> 01:48:16,080
on the moon

2637
01:48:20,950 --> 01:48:18,560
it's just incredible and yet we haven't

2638
01:48:22,870 --> 01:48:20,960
gone back we haven't gone anywhere

2639
01:48:24,870 --> 01:48:22,880
in fact they've scrubbed

2640
01:48:26,870 --> 01:48:24,880
the uh

2641
01:48:28,709 --> 01:48:26,880
space shuttle

2642
01:48:31,669 --> 01:48:28,719
well you know but from what i understand

2643
01:48:32,870 --> 01:48:31,679
they're pr privatizing everything with

2644
01:48:34,629 --> 01:48:32,880
that now

2645
01:48:37,750 --> 01:48:34,639
well yeah except if you know this the

2646
01:48:40,470 --> 01:48:37,760
last couple of uh liftoffs uh ended

2647
01:48:42,229 --> 01:48:40,480
badly for the private space probes and

2648
01:48:44,470 --> 01:48:42,239
that's something else dr louise have you

2649
01:48:48,149 --> 01:48:44,480
ever considered this you do have a lot

2650
01:48:51,270 --> 01:48:48,159
of people you got china you got other uh

2651
01:48:53,669 --> 01:48:51,280
competitive countries and along with uh

2652
01:48:55,510 --> 01:48:53,679
private companies who are trying to get

2653
01:48:56,870 --> 01:48:55,520
in the space business and they're trying

2654
01:49:00,310 --> 01:48:56,880
and there are there's one company

2655
01:49:02,149 --> 01:49:00,320
already offering uh rides into space and

2656
01:49:05,030 --> 01:49:02,159
i don't like that and now you would

2657
01:49:07,590 --> 01:49:05,040
think that nasa who says well we really

2658
01:49:09,350 --> 01:49:07,600
want to push space exploration but we

2659
01:49:11,270 --> 01:49:09,360
just don't have the money that seems to

2660
01:49:13,589 --> 01:49:11,280
be their argument you would think that

2661
01:49:15,510 --> 01:49:13,599
they would be very supportive of these

2662
01:49:18,149 --> 01:49:15,520
private initiatives to try to get into

2663
01:49:19,830 --> 01:49:18,159
space and instead the reality is is that

2664
01:49:21,830 --> 01:49:19,840
they've dragged their feet and tried to

2665
01:49:24,070 --> 01:49:21,840
throw roadblocks in their way the whole

2666
01:49:26,390 --> 01:49:24,080
time there's something about us getting

2667
01:49:28,790 --> 01:49:26,400
in space that somebody somewhere doesn't

2668
01:49:32,950 --> 01:49:31,189
interesting well that kind of leads me

2669
01:49:34,870 --> 01:49:32,960
to the next question you know because

2670
01:49:38,390 --> 01:49:34,880
we're talking about this

2671
01:49:41,189 --> 01:49:38,400
alien thing ancient aliens um

2672
01:49:45,030 --> 01:49:41,199
do you think the et's control the world

2673
01:49:49,189 --> 01:49:47,510
i think they're trying to

2674
01:49:51,750 --> 01:49:49,199
i have reason to believe

2675
01:49:55,189 --> 01:49:51,760
and i couldn't prove this

2676
01:49:57,109 --> 01:49:55,199
but i have reason to believe that

2677
01:49:59,830 --> 01:49:57,119
that some of the

2678
01:50:01,750 --> 01:49:59,840
ruling elite types

2679
01:50:04,870 --> 01:50:01,760
are in some way

2680
01:50:08,149 --> 01:50:04,880
in contact with et's

2681
01:50:10,550 --> 01:50:08,159
i was at a scientific gathering one time

2682
01:50:12,550 --> 01:50:10,560
and asked someone who was very familiar

2683
01:50:15,109 --> 01:50:12,560
with the rockefellers

2684
01:50:16,149 --> 01:50:15,119
uh you know why they weren't getting

2685
01:50:18,470 --> 01:50:16,159
behind

2686
01:50:20,470 --> 01:50:18,480
uh the uh

2687
01:50:22,470 --> 01:50:20,480
issue of free energy

2688
01:50:24,870 --> 01:50:22,480
and i was told well they've been told

2689
01:50:29,270 --> 01:50:24,880
that we're not ready for that yet

2690
01:50:34,070 --> 01:50:31,510
i guess they weren't going to like

2691
01:50:37,990 --> 01:50:34,080
go into that a little bit more

2692
01:50:40,229 --> 01:50:38,000
no well no no no no

2693
01:50:42,790 --> 01:50:40,239
but uh uh

2694
01:50:45,589 --> 01:50:42,800
let me uh i'll and i can tell you

2695
01:50:50,709 --> 01:50:45,599
another things that i know uh

2696
01:50:55,910 --> 01:50:53,189
um

2697
01:50:58,070 --> 01:50:55,920
they uh

2698
01:51:01,270 --> 01:50:58,080
there was a former

2699
01:51:02,390 --> 01:51:01,280
canadian minister of defense paul

2700
01:51:04,550 --> 01:51:02,400
hellyer

2701
01:51:08,149 --> 01:51:04,560
who has stated uh that there have been

2702
01:51:09,589 --> 01:51:08,159
definite uh different alien species uh

2703
01:51:12,070 --> 01:51:09,599
visiting the earth for thousands of

2704
01:51:14,950 --> 01:51:12,080
years and that some can even pass for

2705
01:51:17,430 --> 01:51:14,960
human he also said that alien technology

2706
01:51:20,310 --> 01:51:17,440
has been provided and has produced such

2707
01:51:23,030 --> 01:51:20,320
things as led lights microchips kevlar

2708
01:51:25,510 --> 01:51:23,040
vest night vision things like that again

2709
01:51:26,470 --> 01:51:25,520
dr edgar mitchell a sixth man to walk on

2710
01:51:28,790 --> 01:51:26,480
the moon

2711
01:51:32,830 --> 01:51:28,800
has publicly stated that non-humans had

2712
01:51:39,270 --> 01:51:35,669
technologies but uh

2713
01:51:42,390 --> 01:51:39,280
also here recently we've got karen huge

2714
01:51:43,990 --> 01:51:42,400
that's a former senior counsel for the

2715
01:51:46,390 --> 01:51:44,000
world bank

2716
01:51:48,550 --> 01:51:46,400
and uh she said

2717
01:51:51,189 --> 01:51:48,560
that there are forces fighting the

2718
01:51:53,430 --> 01:51:51,199
corruption in the world today and that

2719
01:51:56,310 --> 01:51:53,440
uh there are forces that have been

2720
01:51:58,550 --> 01:51:56,320
totally been co-opted and the way that

2721
01:52:01,030 --> 01:51:58,560
they act as treasonous to the people in

2722
01:52:02,229 --> 01:52:01,040
certain countries and she said the group

2723
01:52:05,270 --> 01:52:02,239
that's

2724
01:52:07,510 --> 01:52:05,280
one of the groups of these is hominoids

2725
01:52:09,189 --> 01:52:07,520
but they're not human beings she said

2726
01:52:11,669 --> 01:52:09,199
they're very smart but they're not very

2727
01:52:13,830 --> 01:52:11,679
creative they're mathematical and she

2728
01:52:16,550 --> 01:52:13,840
said they had a much stronger force in

2729
01:52:18,790 --> 01:52:16,560
the earlier ice age they have elongated

2730
01:52:20,790 --> 01:52:18,800
skulls they may produce offspring by

2731
01:52:22,070 --> 01:52:20,800
mating with human

2732
01:52:24,470 --> 01:52:22,080
females

2733
01:52:26,790 --> 01:52:24,480
but that offspring is not fertile and

2734
01:52:29,109 --> 01:52:26,800
she says we live in a world of secret

2735
01:52:30,470 --> 01:52:29,119
societies and secrets and information

2736
01:52:31,589 --> 01:52:30,480
that ought to be

2737
01:52:35,430 --> 01:52:31,599
public

2738
01:52:37,270 --> 01:52:35,440
is a former senior council senior

2739
01:52:40,390 --> 01:52:37,280
attorney for the world bank

2740
01:52:43,189 --> 01:52:40,400
now if that's not enough to get you

2741
01:52:45,990 --> 01:52:43,199
pondering these things uh i would point

2742
01:52:48,790 --> 01:52:46,000
you to um

2743
01:52:51,830 --> 01:52:48,800
christine fitzgerald who was a personal

2744
01:52:53,830 --> 01:52:51,840
confidant of the late princess diana for

2745
01:52:54,870 --> 01:52:53,840
about nine years

2746
01:52:57,750 --> 01:52:54,880
um

2747
01:53:00,310 --> 01:52:57,760
and in the taped interview

2748
01:53:01,990 --> 01:53:00,320
this christine fitzgerald claims that

2749
01:53:03,750 --> 01:53:02,000
diana told her

2750
01:53:06,229 --> 01:53:03,760
that the royal family of england is

2751
01:53:07,830 --> 01:53:06,239
actually extraterrestrials who

2752
01:53:10,550 --> 01:53:07,840
are reptilian

2753
01:53:11,350 --> 01:53:10,560
they're not human she said diana told

2754
01:53:12,629 --> 01:53:11,360
her

2755
01:53:14,470 --> 01:53:12,639
now

2756
01:53:16,310 --> 01:53:14,480
whether all that's true or not it's

2757
01:53:17,830 --> 01:53:16,320
fascinating that people in these

2758
01:53:20,390 --> 01:53:17,840
positions of

2759
01:53:22,470 --> 01:53:20,400
knowledge and information

2760
01:53:25,430 --> 01:53:22,480
are saying these things and apparently

2761
01:53:29,510 --> 01:53:25,440
believe it is true

2762
01:53:31,830 --> 01:53:29,520
that's kind of weird that's pretty weird

2763
01:53:33,589 --> 01:53:31,840
what what is their agenda any thoughts

2764
01:53:35,669 --> 01:53:33,599
on what that would be

2765
01:53:37,189 --> 01:53:35,679
well let's put it this way

2766
01:53:39,109 --> 01:53:37,199
let's say you and i

2767
01:53:41,990 --> 01:53:39,119
were a

2768
01:53:43,109 --> 01:53:42,000
space travelers and we crash landed on a

2769
01:53:45,669 --> 01:53:43,119
planet

2770
01:53:47,990 --> 01:53:45,679
and there was about six billion apes

2771
01:53:50,709 --> 01:53:48,000
there see so all of a sudden we we're

2772
01:53:53,189 --> 01:53:50,719
charlton heston and

2773
01:53:55,189 --> 01:53:53,199
on the planet of the apes

2774
01:53:58,629 --> 01:53:55,199
you don't want it we know where we came

2775
01:54:01,189 --> 01:53:58,639
from and we know that we are a a little

2776
01:54:03,109 --> 01:54:01,199
cut above the apes and so we're not

2777
01:54:05,910 --> 01:54:03,119
going to be content just to be one of

2778
01:54:08,390 --> 01:54:05,920
the apes and yet we also know that even

2779
01:54:10,629 --> 01:54:08,400
though we have advanced technology

2780
01:54:13,669 --> 01:54:10,639
we cannot physically control eight

2781
01:54:15,270 --> 01:54:13,679
billion apes so how do you

2782
01:54:17,510 --> 01:54:15,280
so but you don't want to be just another

2783
01:54:20,149 --> 01:54:17,520
ape you want to run the planet of the

2784
01:54:21,990 --> 01:54:20,159
apes and how you gonna do that you can't

2785
01:54:23,750 --> 01:54:22,000
if you can't physically control them

2786
01:54:26,070 --> 01:54:23,760
well you're gonna have to do it through

2787
01:54:28,070 --> 01:54:26,080
secrecy deceit

2788
01:54:29,669 --> 01:54:28,080
okay and you keep the eggs fighting with

2789
01:54:30,629 --> 01:54:29,679
each other and then they can't turn on

2790
01:54:32,470 --> 01:54:30,639
you

2791
01:54:35,669 --> 01:54:32,480
and i think that's what we see happening

2792
01:54:40,390 --> 01:54:37,510
it sounds like what you're saying is

2793
01:54:42,229 --> 01:54:40,400
that there's really a numbers game

2794
01:54:45,109 --> 01:54:42,239
there's too many of us

2795
01:54:48,950 --> 01:54:45,119
not enough of them and so instead of

2796
01:54:51,270 --> 01:54:48,960
coming in and taking control

2797
01:54:53,270 --> 01:54:51,280
over what's going on they're having to

2798
01:54:54,870 --> 01:54:53,280
do it through the back channels because

2799
01:54:56,870 --> 01:54:54,880
they just don't have

2800
01:54:59,669 --> 01:54:56,880
enough people to deal with everybody

2801
01:55:02,149 --> 01:54:59,679
that's here that's true and how do they

2802
01:55:04,229 --> 01:55:02,159
do that they keep they're fear-mongering

2803
01:55:07,109 --> 01:55:04,239
they keep us off balance and fighting

2804
01:55:09,350 --> 01:55:07,119
with each other uh man against woman

2805
01:55:11,750 --> 01:55:09,360
homosexual against heterosexual black

2806
01:55:15,589 --> 01:55:11,760
against white red against yellow you

2807
01:55:17,109 --> 01:55:15,599
know christian versus muslim jew versus

2808
01:55:19,350 --> 01:55:17,119
buddhist you know whatever it is

2809
01:55:21,750 --> 01:55:19,360
anything just to keep us fighting with

2810
01:55:23,910 --> 01:55:21,760
each other so that we can't see

2811
01:55:25,270 --> 01:55:23,920
this one percent that's trying to rule

2812
01:55:27,750 --> 01:55:25,280
over us

2813
01:55:29,109 --> 01:55:27,760
and that's why i in my book our cultured

2814
01:55:30,950 --> 01:55:29,119
history with

2815
01:55:32,470 --> 01:55:30,960
i think a very pertinent question for

2816
01:55:35,109 --> 01:55:32,480
today which is

2817
01:55:37,030 --> 01:55:35,119
you know we all know they are trying to

2818
01:55:39,430 --> 01:55:37,040
do things to us and run the show and

2819
01:55:41,109 --> 01:55:39,440
rule over us and it's time we start

2820
01:55:44,950 --> 01:55:41,119
asking are they

2821
01:55:49,589 --> 01:55:46,629
well i guess not

2822
01:55:51,030 --> 01:55:49,599
i mean because they're they and we're us

2823
01:55:55,910 --> 01:55:51,040
that's right

2824
01:55:58,550 --> 01:55:55,920
gonna take to have them drop the curtain

2825
01:56:00,390 --> 01:55:58,560
you know and for the truth to come out

2826
01:56:02,790 --> 01:56:00,400
uh well that's why it's so important to

2827
01:56:04,870 --> 01:56:02,800
keep the uh freedom and integrity of the

2828
01:56:08,070 --> 01:56:04,880
internet open they've already gotten

2829
01:56:11,030 --> 01:56:08,080
control over the mass media uh about

2830
01:56:13,669 --> 01:56:11,040
about uh five corporations multinational

2831
01:56:14,870 --> 01:56:13,679
corporations now control everything we

2832
01:56:16,870 --> 01:56:14,880
see in here

2833
01:56:20,470 --> 01:56:16,880
and that's not just news that's uh

2834
01:56:23,589 --> 01:56:20,480
movies and uh satellite and cable and

2835
01:56:26,470 --> 01:56:23,599
music and billboards and magazines and

2836
01:56:29,589 --> 01:56:26,480
newspapers all controlled by one of six

2837
01:56:32,709 --> 01:56:29,599
corporations who have interlocking

2838
01:56:35,109 --> 01:56:32,719
directorships and ownership so just a

2839
01:56:36,470 --> 01:56:35,119
handful of people control everything we

2840
01:56:37,270 --> 01:56:36,480
see in here

2841
01:56:39,750 --> 01:56:37,280
and

2842
01:56:41,830 --> 01:56:39,760
the only only way that we know anything

2843
01:56:44,870 --> 01:56:41,840
is because of the internet and yet

2844
01:56:46,950 --> 01:56:44,880
they're trying very hard right now to

2845
01:56:48,470 --> 01:56:46,960
curtail the power of the internet and we

2846
01:56:51,109 --> 01:56:48,480
have to make sure that that doesn't

2847
01:56:54,709 --> 01:56:51,119
happen or we're just going right on into

2848
01:56:56,149 --> 01:56:54,719
a 1984 orwellian society

2849
01:56:58,470 --> 01:56:56,159
well i mean they're already doing that

2850
01:56:59,990 --> 01:56:58,480
in some countries right

2851
01:57:02,950 --> 01:57:00,000
and they're fighting hard to do it in

2852
01:57:08,870 --> 01:57:05,109
yet another topic to not get me started

2853
01:57:11,510 --> 01:57:08,880
but our time's up um and so we need to

2854
01:57:12,950 --> 01:57:11,520
wrap up i wish i had you know i had two

2855
01:57:16,310 --> 01:57:12,960
great guests i had donna eden in the

2856
01:57:19,510 --> 01:57:16,320
first hour i have you now and

2857
01:57:22,470 --> 01:57:19,520
just not enough time never is not enough

2858
01:57:23,910 --> 01:57:22,480
time but jimmy people want oh go ahead

2859
01:57:24,790 --> 01:57:23,920
go ahead well we've touched on some

2860
01:57:26,470 --> 01:57:24,800
really

2861
01:57:28,550 --> 01:57:26,480
deep and important subjects and maybe

2862
01:57:31,430 --> 01:57:28,560
that'll get some of your listeners

2863
01:57:32,390 --> 01:57:31,440
thinking on like that and if just to put

2864
01:57:34,229 --> 01:57:32,400
in a

2865
01:57:36,550 --> 01:57:34,239
self-serving plug if they go to my

2866
01:57:39,830 --> 01:57:36,560
website gymmarks.com

2867
01:57:41,589 --> 01:57:39,840
they can order my books uh they can read

2868
01:57:43,910 --> 01:57:41,599
uh articles that they're probably not

2869
01:57:46,390 --> 01:57:43,920
gonna read in the mainstream mass media

2870
01:57:48,629 --> 01:57:46,400
and they can order dvds

2871
01:57:50,629 --> 01:57:48,639
sweet and it's getting close to

2872
01:57:53,750 --> 01:57:50,639
christmas they make great stocking

2873
01:57:54,790 --> 01:57:53,760
stuffers everybody that's right that's

2874
01:58:01,430 --> 01:57:54,800
right

2875
01:58:04,790 --> 01:58:01,440
have a great evening and i will talk to

2876
01:58:06,390 --> 01:58:04,800
you again soon all right have a very uh

2877
01:58:08,149 --> 01:58:06,400
politically incorrect

2878
01:58:11,589 --> 01:58:08,159
merry christmas and a happy new year

2879
01:58:12,790 --> 01:58:11,599
always always always all right bye bye

2880
01:58:22,870 --> 01:58:12,800
jim

2881
01:58:26,950 --> 01:58:22,880
um next week we're going to be speaking

2882
01:58:29,189 --> 01:58:26,960
to brian forrester about

2883
01:58:30,550 --> 01:58:29,199
drum roll please the lost technology of

2884
01:58:32,870 --> 01:58:30,560
ancient egypt

2885
01:58:35,830 --> 01:58:32,880
and so until next week i'm dr rita

2886
01:59:01,109 --> 01:58:35,840
louise this is just energy radio

2887
01:59:06,629 --> 01:59:03,589
join host dr rita louise each week at

2888
01:59:09,870 --> 01:59:06,639
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2889
01:59:14,950 --> 01:59:11,830
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2890
01:59:16,550 --> 01:59:14,960
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2891
01:59:17,910 --> 01:59:16,560
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